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  • HMCS Athabaskan

    What is your opinion on how she was sank? Mine, internal explosion? From a German destroyers deck gun? Or the more controversial torpedo from a british MTB boat?
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    Re: HMCS Athabaskan

    Originally posted by dannybou
    What is your opinion on how she was sank? Mine, internal explosion? From a German destroyers deck gun? Or the more controversial torpedo from a british MTB boat?
    I thought she was sunk from a torpedo by an E-boat in a vert clever German trap. The main idea was that two T-Boats were sent out as bait, but hiding in the T-boats radar shadow was several E-boats which would attack once the t-boats were heavily engaged.

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    • #3
      Athabaskan and Haida engaged a pair of German destroyers. Athabaskan suffered a first explosion aft, probably due to either a shell or a torpedo. That first explosion didn't sink her. A second, more or less amid ship killed her and 128 sailors. That second explosion is the debate, some 60 years after the fact. There was a documentary on History television in which a dive team returns to her some 280 feet deep. In interviewing some survivors, they feel it was friendly fire from a MTB who fired on her by mistake. The French still commemorate her loss every year for the past 60 years and have a cemetary to the sailors who has washed ashore on the night of the 29th of April 1944. Even after the documentary, it is unclear as to what caused the second explosion, but a naval architect doubts it was a torpedo. The debate is still on.
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        Any other opinions? Comments?
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        • #5
          I recall seeing that documentary on TV back in April. IIRC they still hadn't got a good enoush look at the wreck to make a definitive judgement. It does seem to me that the one torpedo hit could have been enough.
          I do have a request, I have wanted to make a scenrario for a wargame and wanted info on the battle, ie. a map of the battle with course, speed, time, weather and seastate and the OOB for the two sides. I recall reading a book years ago but could anyone give me some web or book info? I found a few sites on Athabaskan but not the detailed info on the battle I seek. Any takers? Thanks.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by joea
            I recall seeing that documentary on TV back in April. IIRC they still hadn't got a good enoush look at the wreck to make a definitive judgement. It does seem to me that the one torpedo hit could have been enough.
            I do have a request, I have wanted to make a scenrario for a wargame and wanted info on the battle, ie. a map of the battle with course, speed, time, weather and seastate and the OOB for the two sides. I recall reading a book years ago but could anyone give me some web or book info? I found a few sites on Athabaskan but not the detailed info on the battle I seek. Any takers? Thanks.
            You're probably looking for more but here is a start:

            http://uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/4440.html
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            • #7
              Not familiar with this one, gents. More info needed.
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              • #8
                Interesting debate Danny.

                One thing is for sure Haida got payback for her stricken sister in spades. She charged forward engaging both German destroyers sinking one and heavily damaging and driving off the other one before turning back to search for survivors.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jim H. Moreno
                  Not familiar with this one, gents. More info needed.
                  Jim

                  The Athabaskan (Lt.Cdr. J.H. Stubbs, R.C.N., DSO, DSC) was sunk in the English Channel North East of Ouessant by two torpedoes from the German torpedo boats T-24 and T-27. The magazine and a boiler blew up in an explosion that was seen 20 miles away. 129 of the crew went down with the ship. 83 men were picked up from the water by the torpedo boats and taken prisoner. Another 44 of the crew were picked up by HMCS Haida.

                  Now the mystery lies in how a second explosion actually occurred and sank her. Some survivors alledge that there were British MTB in the area and they would have fired on her by mistake, thinking they were engaging the German ships.

                  Part of the bodies who washed ashore are buried in France today and are well taken care of by the local French population. Shouldn't bash the French so much I believe, as alot of them do appreciate the sacrifice our Countries did for them.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DANJANOU
                    Interesting debate Danny.

                    One thing is for sure Haida got payback for her stricken sister in spades. She charged forward engaging both German destroyers sinking one and heavily damaging and driving off the other one before turning back to search for survivors.
                    She sure did. :thumb:
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                    • #11
                      like Jim said, would like to learn more about this, please explain
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