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    Ever wonder why, although thousands of Nazis were tried at Nuremberg, a veritable handful of Japanese were tried? Ever wonder who was behind this, including insistence that Hirohito not be tried? None other than Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Apparently Truman so valued his "expertise" in the Pacific Theater that he essentially took everything that MacArthur said as the absolute truth. How many criminals more odious than any Nazi were spared by MacArthur's inexplicable conduct?
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    What would have prompted MacArthur to belittle the war criminals trials? I was always under the impression that it was part of the unconditional surrender to not have the Emperor held responsible.
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    • #3
      Actually, there was Japanese War Crimes Trials. One of those (Yamashita's) was a farce and miscarriage of justice. The crime for which he was hung was the defense of an "open city" (Manila) by units not under his command (Japanese Naval forces). McArthur wanted revenge for his humiliation and got it. Pure and simple.


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      • #4
        Yamashita was stupidly executed, but I thought it was for the Bataan death march, which of course was during Homma's tenure of command.
        The Japanese could not be looked at in the same light as the Nazi's, if they were to be fair we would have had to trie our own war criminals.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by paul mullin
          Yamashita was stupidly executed, but I thought it was for the Bataan death march, which of course was during Homma's tenure of command.
          The Japanese could not be looked at in the same light as the Nazi's, if they were to be fair we would have had to trie our own war criminals.
          Your right the Japanese cannot be looked at in the same light as the Nazis. Japans actions were in many cases worse then Germany. Japan used large areas of China as a laboratory for biological and chemical warfare test. They raped and murdered millions of civilians in China. They tortured, starved, and murdered Allied POW’s. Don’t believe that Japan fought the war cleanly or fairly. Anything that happened to them was just payback of what they had done to the conquered countries.
          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tsar
            They raped and murdered millions of civilians in China.
            You are very right. BTW was there any war crimes trial for the soviet soldiers who raped and murdered German civilians? Don't think so. War crimes tribunals are run by the victors of the conflict, not the purest of the conflict.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by dannybou
              You are very right. BTW was there any war crimes trial for the soviet soldiers who raped and murdered German civilians? Don't think so. War crimes tribunals are run by the victors of the conflict, not the purest of the conflict.
              Even the Russian army did not do to Berlin what the Japanese did to Nanking. Japan’s army was led by one of the imperial princes yet they never paid the price for it. They barely admit that anything happened there and blame all the slaughter on the confusion of the retreating Chinese army.
              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dannybou
                What would have prompted MacArthur to belittle the war criminals trials? I was always under the impression that it was part of the unconditional surrender to not have the Emperor held responsible.
                No, the Japanese authorties requested that Hirohito not be tried. They felt that his renouncing his "divine" status was humiliation enough. Also, they alleged that trying Hirohito would demoralize the Japanese people. I have two responses to this:

                1) Yes it may have; and
                2) Who cares!!!!!

                Hirohito was part and parcel of one of the most amoral, depraved, savage, inhuman, bestial and overall bloodthirsty regime ever to be inflicted on mankind. Every person responsible for their crimes, whether it be 40 or 40,000 should have been swinging in the wind.
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                • #9
                  [QUOTE]Originally posted by paul mullin
                  [B]Yamashita was stupidly executed, but I thought it was for the Bataan death march, which of course was during Homma's tenure of command.
                  The Japanese could not be looked at in the same light as the Nazi's

                  Why not, what differentiates one war criminal from another? Are the Nazis more culpable because they got more press?

                  No, the Japanese as a whole were culpable for their crimes. Not every German was a Nazi, but every Japanese was given the same indoctrination, essentially declaring every non-Japanese person the equivalent of an
                  untermenschen. They were taught that surrender was dishonor, compassion was weakness, that their being Japanese soldiers essentially justified anything they did.

                  If you wish to learn only one incident of why the Japanese were as guily as the Nazis, read The Rape of Nanking by Iris Chang. Tell me then if you still believe the Japanese to be less culpable than the Nazis.
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                  • #10
                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by hogdriver

                    No, the Japanese as a whole were culpable for their crimes. Not every German was a Nazi, but every Japanese was given the same indoctrination, essentially declaring every non-Japanese person the equivalent of an
                    untermenschen. They were taught that surrender was dishonor, compassion was weakness, that their being Japanese soldiers essentially justified anything they did.
                    Nobody said the Japanese wasn't guilty of warcrimes. Only Yamashita wasn't guilty of what he was charged with or any war crime.


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                    • #11
                      The Japanese goverment are still responsible for the Rape of Nanking. Today, they said it never happen and pay tribute to Japanese war veterans from that campaign.

                      Thousands of Chinese citizens were executed for fun by the Japanese Army. Their brutality even caused Hitler to write a letter to Tojo to stop it (how bizzare)!

                      Japan, today still denies the Rape of Nanking. Many of the Japanese officials should have been tried for crimes.
                      VonMoltke

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                      • #12
                        Even more disgusting then not prosecuting the Japanese royal family is that when Hirohito died so many world leaders went to his funeral to pay homage to him.
                        Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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                        • #13
                          Adding insult to injury, MacArthur treated the Japanese government as if he was their friend. Many Americans suffered as P.O.W.s in their camps especially the the Bataan Death March.

                          Worse, in Japan today, they state the Rape of Nanking was a lie and todays Japanese citizens believed it never happen. :crazy:
                          VonMoltke

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                          • #14
                            Japanese Crimes, Doug, Rolling Stone

                            Originally posted by hogdriver View Post
                            Ever wonder why, although thousands of Nazis were tried at Nuremberg, a veritable handful of Japanese were tried? Ever wonder who was behind this, including insistence that Hirohito not be tried? None other than Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Apparently Truman so valued his "expertise" in the Pacific Theater that he essentially took everything that MacArthur said as the absolute truth. How many criminals more odious than any Nazi were spared by MacArthur's inexplicable conduct?
                            Another thread revived from Day One by lodestar.

                            Surely he is an excellent felow don't you thinK? What a splendid chap!
                            But could he tell us a bit more about who he is? He almost never talks about himself.

                            Anyway this thread by hogdriver dried up quickly back in '04 and he/she dropped away long ago. However the Post does raise issue which are worthy of further discussion.
                            I'm sure the issue of Japnese war-crimes as been throughly debate over the years on the forum but the MacArthur aspect is still fascinating.

                            The most interesting think about 'ole 'Dugout Doug' was that since his well deserved dimissal as allied Supremo at the height of the Korean Civil War (note the correct term for the conflict, please refer to it as such if you respond) for disrespecting a president, underestimating a potential foe and overstimating his own abilities and forces, no American soldier has ever again been elavated to such heights of hero-worship or veneration.
                            Whatever it's faults, the American political system has at least got how to 'handle' the Generals (and Admirals) pretty right.
                            Put them and keep them in their place, tell them to do their jobs and and take the flak and blame when things go south and keep their mouths shut!

                            A perfect example being the excellent way the current administration handled General McChrystal, Commander Commander ISAF in Afghanistan after he forgot that Rolling Stone magazine interviews are meant for rock-stars not generals who aspire to be one.

                            Anyway intersting topic especially the aspect of Japanese/Chinese conflict and relations..
                            Regards lodestar

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hogdriver View Post
                              Ever wonder why, although thousands of Nazis were tried at Nuremberg, a veritable handful of Japanese were tried? Ever wonder who was behind this, including insistence that Hirohito not be tried? None other than Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Apparently Truman so valued his "expertise" in the Pacific Theater that he essentially took everything that MacArthur said as the absolute truth. How many criminals more odious than any Nazi were spared by MacArthur's inexplicable conduct?
                              Since this thread is on the front page, I am going to answer it even though this post was written nine years ago! There were only 21 defendants tried by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, not ''thousands''. Of course, many Germans were tried at other locations, just as Japanese were tried at many places throughout the far East. And there were more than a ''veritable handful of Japanese'' who were tried. The Americans executed approximately 165 Japanese in all for war crimes (not including the seven condemned to death by the International Military Tribunal at Tokyo). The situation isn't quite as cut and dried as you might imagine.

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