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    A German armyofficer executed by his pistol partisans in S 20191113_063600.jpg erbia in 1941 Patches by a SS officer.

  • #2
    Originally posted by casanova View Post
    A German armyofficer executed by his pistol partisans in S 20191113_063600.jpg erbia in 1941 Patches by a SS officer.
    ??????

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    • #3
      Look, why don't you write the caption in your own language? I'm sure there will be someone here who can do a better job at translating it, than this.
      Michele

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      • #4
        Originally posted by casanova View Post
        A German armyofficer executed by his pistol partisans in Serbia in 1941 Patches by a SS officer.
        Why is the picture cropped?

        What does the other half of it show?

        Is the photo being taken out of context?

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        The Nazis produced 12,000 tons of NERVE GAS. Why did they not use it?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lewinski View Post

          Why is the picture cropped?

          What does the other half of it show?

          Is the photo being taken out of context?

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          The Nazis produced 12,000 tons of NERVE GAS. Why did they not use it?
          There is no "other half". Casanova did a poor job of taking the picture from whatever source he used.
          Here is the whole picture:
          default.jpg

          it was taken by a German Army photographer,Gerhard Gronefeld in April 1941, part of a series of images recording the execution of civilians in Pancevo by units of the SS and Wehrmacht including the Grossdeutschland regiment.

          https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...KNMQXP7ANTGWHV
          http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/20
          https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004225
          https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa26441

          Not sure what you think is being taken out of context.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CarpeDiem View Post

            There is no "other half". Casanova did a poor job of taking the picture from whatever source he used.
            Here is the whole picture:
            default.jpg

            it was taken by a German Army photographer,Gerhard Gronefeld in April 1941, part of a series of images recording the execution of civilians in Pancevo by units of the SS and Wehrmacht including the Grossdeutschland regiment.

            https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...KNMQXP7ANTGWHV
            http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/20
            https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004225
            https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa26441

            Not sure what you think is being taken out of context.
            He did get it right side up, though...

            things are looking 'right side up...'
            The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Michele View Post
              Look, why don't you write the caption in your own language? I'm sure there will be someone here who can do a better job at translating it, than this.

              aYE, lord Loki….
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #8
                Well, if these were partisans captured wearing civilian clothes and engaged in combat / resistance with the German military under the then extant rules of war / Geneva Convention they would be considered "spies and saboteurs" and could be summarily court martialed and sentenced, including to execution, for that war crime.

                In order to be considered combatants and have the rights conferred to combatants they had to be wearing some distinctive marking(s) or uniform that identified them as enemy combatants.



                Volkssturm. Note the armband that complies with the rules of war and Geneva Convention.



                British Home Guard. Again, note the "LDV" (Local Defense Volunteer) armband and that some of these men are wearing medals.

                Most Yugoslav partisans wore a uniform of one sort or another, and could be identified as combatants.

                I just want to point that out. Not every time the Germans shot some people were they acting against the rules of war. That's just to be fair to both sides.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Well, if these were partisans captured wearing civilian clothes and engaged in combat / resistance with the German military under the then extant rules of war / Geneva Convention they would be considered "spies and saboteurs" and could be summarily court martialed and sentenced, including to execution, for that war crime.

                  In order to be considered combatants and have the rights conferred to combatants they had to be wearing some distinctive marking(s) or uniform that identified them as enemy combatants.



                  Volkssturm. Note the armband that complies with the rules of war and Geneva Convention.



                  British Home Guard. Again, note the "LDV" (Local Defense Volunteer) armband and that some of these men are wearing medals.

                  Most Yugoslav partisans wore a uniform of one sort or another, and could be identified as combatants.

                  I just want to point that out. Not every time the Germans shot some people were they acting against the rules of war. That's just to be fair to both sides.
                  As the the links provided in the 5th post show, your explanation doesn't hold for the picture we are discussing..

                  From an interview with the photographer who took the picture we're discussing Gerhard.Gronefeld:
                  http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/20

                  Gronefeld says the execution at Pancevo was the only atrocity he witnessed. The 36 civilians were rounded up at random in revenge for the killing of two SS officers by Serb partisans.

                  Gronefeld photographed the civilians being taken to the cemetery, where they were executed. He snapped frame after frame as the victims were made to stand on chairs, nooses were placed over their heads and the chairs were kicked away.

                  “In their eyes before they died, I saw their last appeal for mercy,” Gronefeld recalled.

                  After 18 died on the gallows, the remainder were taken to the cemetery wall and executed by firing squad. Gronefeld photographed a soldier who drew his pistol and finished off a wounded victim. [Note: this would appear to be the photograph in the OP of this thread]

                  At the time, he says, he understood the Wehrmacht’s desire to avenge the death of German soldiers. But he also felt pity for the victims, and still does.

                  “They were completely innocent of any wrongdoing,” he says.
                  Note that these victims were not partisans themselves, but civilians executed in reprisal for the actions of partisans. And they are so identified by the German photographer who took the picture we are now discussing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CarpeDiem View Post

                    As the the links provided in the 5th post show, your explanation doesn't hold for the picture we are discussing..

                    From an interview with the photographer who took the picture we're discussing Gerhard.Gronefeld:
                    http://serbianna.com/blogs/savich/archives/20

                    Note that these victims were not partisans themselves, but civilians executed in reprisal for the actions of partisans. And they are so identified by the German photographer who took the picture we are now discussing.
                    That's fine. Then it was an atrocity and a war crime. I was just being fair to both sides, so-to-speak.

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