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    Hey all,

    I have been away from here for far to long, I have gotten busy with school again...anyways I am working on a paper for my American History Class, a fourth year course covering American from 1941 till now. I have a paper (10-12 pages) due in about a month now and I have decided to do it on the Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 1944. I know very little about this battle. I pulled some sources from my University's library today, just wondering what you thought of them, if you had any other suggestions.

    Silent Victory - Clay Blair Jr (Submarine Warfare)
    A Democracy at War - America's fight at home and abroad during ww2
    Fading Victory - Admiral Matome Ugaki Diaries
    Zero! - Japanese Look at Kamakaze, etc
    and three books just about the battle, including one written in 1958 by the USN

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    "The Battle of Leyte Gulf" by Edwin P. Hoyt

    Valor at Samar... damn, forgot the author.

    The first one is the best.

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    • #3
      I have A Democracy At War by William L. O'Neill and if this is the one you have, it won't help you much with the Leyte Gulf battle. It's more of an overview of the entire US war effort. He barely describes battles at all and focuses mostly on how the US geared up and managed it's home front. It's more of a political history of the US during WW2. For that it's good but it won't help with your subject much.

      Leyte Gulf only merits mention on 3 pages, while you'll get a different government agency on almost every other page.
      Last edited by R. Evans; 06 Nov 07, 13:31.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Galen107 View Post
        Hey all,

        I have been away from here for far to long, I have gotten busy with school again...anyways I am working on a paper for my American History Class, a fourth year course covering American from 1941 till now. I have a paper (10-12 pages) due in about a month now and I have decided to do it on the Battle of Leyte Gulf, October 1944. I know very little about this battle. I pulled some sources from my University's library today, just wondering what you thought of them, if you had any other suggestions.

        Silent Victory - Clay Blair Jr (Submarine Warfare)
        A Democracy at War - America's fight at home and abroad during ww2
        Fading Victory - Admiral Matome Ugaki Diaries
        Zero! - Japanese Look at Kamakaze, etc
        and three books just about the battle, including one written in 1958 by the USN

        Silent Victory is an excellent account of the submarine war against Japan from 1941 on, though Clay Blair does do a great job of showing the impact that the US submarine service on the outcome of the Leyte Gulf battle.
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        • #5
          Thanks, I Have the Hoyt book, it is one of the ones, I figured best to read cover to cover...I am just not sure what direction I am going to take on this essay, or what my thesis is going to be....any other suggestions, comments or help would be welcome

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          • #6
            I do know we won.... :laughing:
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            • #7
              lol, I do have one question, can someone explain to me this TF number system, like i know there was 7th Fleet, I just understand the Taskforce numbering like TF38, TF38.1, etc

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              • #8
                Because the US rotated its forces to keep them from being exhausted, while keeping the equipment deployed, Task Force designations were assigned to the commanders of the units.

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                • #9
                  but i don't understand the .1, .2 stuff

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                  • #10
                    One of the best sources would be S.E. Morison's Leyte, June 1944-January1945 vol. XII in the official History of United States Naval Operations in World War II series. One of the best features of the series are the detailed orders of battles that are given in the appendices.

                    American naval forces had grown so large by 1944 that control of these was eased by creating additional echelons of command. Halsey's Third Fleet was divided up into task forces with task groups being subordinated to task forces. One example being Task Force 38, which was Third Fleet's fast carrier force. The task organization of TF 38 (commanded by Vice Admiral J.S. McCain) consisted of various task groups like Task Group 38.1 under Rear Admiral A.E. Montgomery(TG 38.1) which consisted of the carriers Yorktown, Wasp, Cowpens, and Monterrey and a support unit to escort the carriers, and TG 38.3 under Rear Admiral F.C. Sherman which consisted of the carriers Essex, Ticonderoga, Langley, and San Jacinto, also with a support unit. (Taken from Morison's The Liberation of the Phillipines: 1944-1945 vol. XIII) So TG 38.1 would mean that it was the first task group of task force 38 of Third Fleet.
                    Last edited by pmririshman; 07 Nov 07, 08:37. Reason: typo
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Galen107 View Post
                      Thanks, I Have the Hoyt book, it is one of the ones, I figured best to read cover to cover...I am just not sure what direction I am going to take on this essay, or what my thesis is going to be....any other suggestions, comments or help would be welcome
                      This is your key problem. Your are going to need to say why another paper on Leyte Gulf is worth doing. Don't just say it was a "turning point" and launch into a long descriptive narrative.

                      Rather than starting off reading a lot of very detailed narratives of that specific battle and hoping some thesis comes out, you might want to start with more general histories, ones that put Leyte Gulf in context.

                      Compare and contrast is always a good standby. For example look at an earlier naval battle and pinpoint what changed in US Japanese tactics and technology in between.
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                      • #12
                        These are good books on the subject:

                        Sea of Thunder by Evan Thomas.

                        Emphasis on Halsey, Evans, Kurita and Ugami


                        The Battle of Leyte Gulf by Thomas J. Cutler

                        Good general history of the battle, especially the command / communications situation which caused problems.


                        The Battle Of Leyte Gulf: by H. P. Willmott


                        The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James D. Hornfischer

                        An especially good book about the Johnston and Commander Evans in the Battle off Samar
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                        • #13
                          Thanks for hte help, I think the Morrison book is the current one I am making notes on....thanks for explaining the TF thing to me, it was a great help...keep the suggestions coming in...I appreciate all insights you guys have

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zemlekop View Post
                            This is your key problem. Your are going to need to say why another paper on Leyte Gulf is worth doing. Don't just say it was a "turning point" and launch into a long descriptive narrative.

                            Rather than starting off reading a lot of very detailed narratives of that specific battle and hoping some thesis comes out, you might want to start with more general histories, ones that put Leyte Gulf in context.

                            Compare and contrast is always a good standby. For example look at an earlier naval battle and pinpoint what changed in US Japanese tactics and technology in between.
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                            I'm on the run, but this is excellent advice. General to specific, test out thesis statements and look for a nuance. If you take the time at the beginning, you will find the paper almost writes itself.
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                            • #15
                              I was thinking a good look at the Japanese PLAN would be a good topic. Then compare and contrast to what actually happened. Just my $ .02 and worth 1/1000 what you paid for it.
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