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  • Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
    It was also only the RAF doing it.
    And RCAF...

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    • Originally posted by Freebird View Post
      And RCAF...
      Yes, that I should not forget!! lcm1
      'By Horse by Tram'.


      I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
      " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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      • And RAAF.
        "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
        Samuel Johnson.

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        • GOOD SHOW ALL YOU NON-BRITISH CHAPPIES..


          AUSTRALIAN AF BEAUFIGHTER


          King George VI (the guy with a stutter in 'The Kings Speech') and his wife the Queen Mother visit a Canadian bomber station in England in WW2. Their daughter Princess Elizabeth (Later Queen Elizabeth II) stands behind-


          KIWI DAMBUSTER-


          SOUTH AFRICAN AF BEAUFIGHTER vs TRAIN IN ITALY-
          Last edited by Poor Old Spike; 22 Feb 18, 00:55.

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          • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
            GOOD SHOW ALL YOU NON-BRITISH CHAPPIES..


            AUSTRALIAN AF BEAUFIGHTER


            King George VI (the guy with a stutter in 'The Kings Speech') and his wife the Queen Mother visit a Canadian bomber station in England in WW2. Their daughter Princess Elizabeth (Later Queen Elizabeth II) stands behind-


            KIWI DAMBUSTER-


            SOUTH AFRICAN AF BEAUFIGHTER vs TRAIN IN ITALY-
            I was just looking at that photo and thinking, you can see who was Boss in that family, but what has all this got to do with the topic we should be on? lcm1
            'By Horse by Tram'.


            I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
            " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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            • Blimps, Escort Carriers and the Polish air crew and ground forces

              How did Israel loose a crew member in the BoB, it wasn't a country then?
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                Blimps, Escort Carriers and the Polish air crew and ground forces
                Blimps were a hangover from WW1! RNAS non rigid airships playing a vital role in forcing U boats to stay submerged in day time

                https://www.mediastorehouse.com/p/13...ey-1038815.jpg
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
                  I was just looking at that photo and thinking, you can see who was Boss in that family, but what has all this got to do with the topic we should be on? lcm1
                  In your post #255 you said it was only the RAF who was doing bombing and stuff, and two other guys had to remind you that the RCAF and RAAF were also involved, so I thought I'd post those pics of Commonwealth flyers to cheer them up..

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                  • Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View Post
                    In your post #255 you said it was only the RAF who was doing bombing and stuff, and two other guys had to remind you that the RCAF and RAAF were also involved, so I thought I'd post those pics of Commonwealth flyers to cheer them up..
                    Yes I must admit I did, a slip up on my part being most concerned with pointing out that the American air forces did not start European bombing until 1942. My apologies to all Nations involved in the War against Adolf. There, how did that go down Spike, OK??
                    'By Horse by Tram'.


                    I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                    " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                    • Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
                      Yes I must admit I did, a slip up on my part being most concerned with pointing out that the American air forces did not start European bombing until 1942. My apologies to all Nations involved in the War against Adolf. There, how did that go down Spike, OK??
                      Although RCAF and RAAF personnel took part in the bombing of Germany they did so under the aegis of the RAF (as did men of a number of other nations eg Poland and South Africa as well as volunteers from the West Indies) - see Slessor The Central Blue. so you were right first time.
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                        Although RCAF and RAAF personnel took part in the bombing of Germany they did so under the aegis of the RAF (as did men of a number of other nations eg Poland and South Africa) so you were right first time.
                        Thanks Mark, yes I know. Just thought that Spike rated a bit of sarcastic grovelling. .... I was fourteen when the war started and sucked everything up like a sponge. Stood out in the street and watched the BofB, volunteered for night fire guard Patrols during the air raids remember Dunkirk and St Nazaire and Dieppe finally finishing up in the RM and going to Normandy. And although I am no greatly educated guy, Plus my age, I still remember plainly most of the important things that have happened in my younger years.......Right less of the rabbit, lcm1
                        'By Horse by Tram'.


                        I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                        " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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                        • Bombing too little too late

                          Originally posted by CarpeDiem View Post
                          Not true at all. The RAF had recognized the importance of oil as a target from the beginning of the war. Unfortunately they lacked the skill and resources to conduct a sustained campaign against specific oil targets.

                          The capability of the Allies to deliver the type of campaign you're calling for was not there at the beginning of the war, as the Butt report and a study of the actual results of the initial raiding efforts demonstrate.
                          If they knew it mattered then it should have been given priority and the campaign should have stuck to it.

                          Area bombing was wasteful and counterproductive in that it galvanised German morale rather than hurt it.

                          Not to mention raising the moral issue of 'terror' bombing which has dogged Bomber Command ops ever since.

                          Regards l
                          lodestar

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                          • Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                            If they knew it mattered then it should have been given priority and the campaign should have stuck to it.

                            Area bombing was wasteful and counterproductive in that it galvanised German morale rather than hurt it.

                            Not true. See Overy's The Bombers and the Bombed.
                            Will no one tell me what she sings?--
                            Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
                            For old, unhappy, far-off things,
                            And battles long ago:
                            -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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                            • Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                              If they knew it mattered then it should have been given priority and the campaign should have stuck to it.

                              Area bombing was wasteful and counterproductive in that it galvanised German morale rather than hurt it.

                              Not to mention raising the moral issue of 'terror' bombing which has dogged Bomber Command ops ever since.

                              Regards l
                              lodestar
                              Perhaps take the time to read the information I posted. Or look at some modern studies on the bombing campaign like the one DC just recommended above. This seems to be another case ,a la Tooze, of a lot of opinion on a subject and not much research or sources to back up said opinion.
                              Good luck to any future students you may have is all I can say if this is an example of your teaching style and lesson planning .

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                              • Originally posted by lodestar View Post
                                If they knew it mattered then it should have been given priority and the campaign should have stuck to it.

                                Area bombing was wasteful and counterproductive in that it galvanised German morale rather than hurt it.

                                Not to mention raising the moral issue of 'terror' bombing which has dogged Bomber Command ops ever since.

                                Regards l
                                lodestar
                                In the earlier part of the war Bomber Command had a policy of targeting transport and key industrial infrastructure and area bombing was reserved for moonless nights when the precise target could not be seen. However a detailed analysis proved that their ability to find, much less hit, precise targets was greatly overestimated and the area bombing raids had actually knocked out more infrastructure than the targeted raids which were the les efficient. See The Hardest Victory by Denis Richards
                                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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