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  • I've read "Beyond Stalingrad" a long time ago. You asked about Manstein in the personalities sub-forum and this book goes into his leadership actions. However, the book is dry and entirely operational in nature with little to no tactical details. I think it's on the supplementary side to other materials.

    I checked my mail and I have both books previously mentioned now.

    I have a copy of Hitler's Warrior and Fatal Crossroads, too.

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    • Did you ever get the Trojca book SS Panzer Korps at Kharkov? This is the best book Trojka ever put out. It covers all 3 divisions LSSAH, DR, and Totenkopf. Together with Nipes Last Victory in Russia and the book by RZM called Platz der Leibstandarte and the volume 3 LSSAH you just got will give you a definitive coverage on this battle.


      https://www.amazon.com/SS-Panzerkorp...rps+at+kharkov

      https://www.amazon.com/Last-Victory-...rps+at+kharkov

      https://www.amazon.com/Platz-Leibsta...+leibstandarte



      The maps in the Trojka and RZM books are excellent and there are plenty of them on large format pages.
      Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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      • Cult here is the Stone & Stone review on the Agte Jochen Peiper book:

        http://books.stonebooks.com/reviews/000127/

        I have read the Reynolds book, which Stone & Stone compares to Agte's in full and it is also a decent book.

        Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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        • ^
          No, i didn't. I have read Last Victory in russia and liked it. I have a copy of Reynold's Peiper book, which is focused on the Ardennes. Those other two books look interesting

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          • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
            the situation regarding the 2nd and 3rd UKF in Hungary Nov-Dec 1944 involving the encirclement of Budapest. And also, the battles for the Hungarian plains in October.
            Armored vehicles were strongly worn out. Otherwise pretty average situation.

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            • Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
              Art thanks for those links. When I have time I will read them. Also I did find it strange that Balck states that the Soviet 1st Tank Corps did not survive the day (8 Dec). A whole corps!
              It's not only a problem of exaggerating own success. Both Mellenthin and Balck don't focus on the fact that their mission on the Chir River was primary offensive. They were supposed to eliminate Soviet bridgeheads (they tried but failed, both describe those abortive attacks in very nebulous terms) and then to start a relief attack toward Stalingrad (which they were not even in position to proceed to). They succeeded in disrupting Soviet plans, but German plans went awry as well.

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              • Yes I agree.

                of note, Balck/Mellenthin gave a seminar to the US army using Chir River as a Case Study of successful leadership.

                They succeeded in inflicting heavy losses to Soviet forces but could not participate in operation Winter Storm which was the most critical objective.

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                • Also I recently found two unit histories on 2.SS and 3.SS Tiger tanks by Schneider, the Tiger guy- of note is that the Das Reich book is substantial:

                  https://www.amazon.com/Das-Reich-Tig...s+reich+tigers

                  https://www.amazon.com/Totenkopf-Tig...90WS27T9E5DYAM

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                  • captured T-34s and used in training

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T35Cs1l1BE

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                    • I received this recently, it's impressive and also a steal:

                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/18...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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                      • Similar to the behavior of US tanks in Normandy:

                        Tigers in Combat I, pg. 124

                        "13-22 June 1943: During this time, the 1. and 2./schwere Panzer-Abteilung 503 conduct aimed-fire "artillery" missions in the sectors of several infantry divisions-39. Infanterie-Division, 161. Infanterie-Division and 282. Infanterie-Division. They fire 1,662 rounds and destroy or knock out 2 T-34s, 1 T-70, 11 antitank guns and 401 pillboxes."

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                        • From "Tiger tank - A british View" (a lot of British documents).

                          -A document in May 43

                          -Describes Tiger tank battalion in Tunisia as being operated in a support role (rather than as a pursuit tank). Overwatch, indirect fire/Forward observer spotting, long-range sniping.

                          -information gathered from the Soviets: The Tiger 502 battalion was being used as "mobile pillboxes" at the Leningrad Front. The Tigers were used to shield infantry and placed far forward of them to engage soviet infantry and armor.

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                          • The preview for the history of the 64th Army is up. Looks interesting and in a way a prequel to the 7th Guards Army at Kursk.

                            https://www.amazon.com/dp/1732607400...ustomerReviews

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                            • this is an excellent blog with exerpt/articles from the works of Zetterling and Lawrence (who has posted here on ACG):

                              http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/category/kursk/

                              http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/c...eastern-front/

                              http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/c.../world-war-ii/


                              From this blog post:

                              http://www.dupuyinstitute.org/blog/2...lery-at-kursk/

                              This matches what was discussed earlier how the Soviets had enormous amounts of weapons but much less ammo for each tube. Perhaps politics lead to such a seemingly odd mixture. The Soviets, despite having 1.8 times more tubes expended 40% of the firepower in tons.

                              What the blog post neglects is the high probability that the ammunition for the defense was rationed and reserved for the large scale offensive operations that occurred shortly afterwards.



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                              • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
                                This matches what was discussed earlier how the Soviets had enormous amounts of weapons but much less ammo for each tube. Perhaps politics lead to such a seemingly odd mixture. The Soviets, despite having 1.8 times more tubes expended 40% of the firepower in tons.
                                I believe, using tonnage per barrel is a bit audacious (as well as extrapolating data from one operation), because it ignores the difference in calibers and a weight of a round. A shell of a 76-mm gun weighs about 6.5 kg, whereas a shell of a 105-mm howitzer - about 14. For typical expenditure in rounds per barrel see:
                                https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...?f=79&t=235629
                                Then, an implicit assumption there is that the numbers of guns fielded was in a more or less constant proportion to the numbers of guns produced. It's not necessary true. German production of guns had expanded many-fold by 1944:
                                https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Tube-Fired-Weapons-Production-Stats
                                while the numbers of available barrels didn't really increase. So the story is more complex.
                                Last edited by Artyom_A; 17 Dec 18, 05:57.

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