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  • Battle of Midway 74 years ago today

    Today marks the 74th anniversary of the Battle of Midway-A great blow to the Japanese Imperial Navy and a turning point in the PTO.

    This video shows some old veterans at a 2016 commemoration. So good to see them.



    http://www.kiiitv.com/story/32133552...ttle-of-midway

    Regards,Kurt
    Last edited by CarpeDiem; 04 Jun 16, 08:18. Reason: Fixing thread title
    Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

  • #2
    I really don't know many of the details of this great Naval battle so I just ordered this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Swor...ilpage_o00_s00

    The reviews are excellent and it seem to me this book is a great place to start my education. Nice price don't hurt either

    Regards,Kurt
    Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kurt Knispel View Post
      I really don't know many of the details of this great Naval battle so I just ordered this book:

      http://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Swor...ilpage_o00_s00

      The reviews are excellent and it seem to me this book is a great place to start my education. Nice price don't hurt either

      Regards,Kurt
      Excellent book. The author's have a web forum at http://propnturret.com/tully/
      Hyperwar: World War II on the World Wide Web
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      World War II Resources
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      • #4
        Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
        Excellent book. The author's have a web forum at http://propnturret.com/tully/
        Whew...Thanks !!!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
          Excellent book. The author's have a web forum at http://propnturret.com/tully/
          Thanks for the link I just book marked it. Plus 1

          Regards,Kurt
          Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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          • #6
            I am not sure that without a basic grasp of the battle and a firm grasp of the principals of naval operations that Shattered Sword is a good place to start.
            For example, there are long expositions about fleet maneuvers that many might find tedious. Especially if one doesn't know the myths that carefully tracing these maneuvers destroy.
            Perhaps the grand-daddy of all Midway books, Lord's Incredible Victory would be a better starting point. While dated, it can be said with some truth that every book following it has been written either to defend, or counter, Lord's analysis.
            Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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            • #7
              A modest recommended reading list for Midway . . . I have two Midway book lists, first are the works that bear specifically on the subject. Second are the works that a careful reading will provide some satisfying “ah-ha!” moments that go a long way in describing why or how some of the events in the battle played out as they did.

              The listings in the two sections are, note, by publishing year in descending order, not by importance to the subject. There are distinct points where the various authors diverge, sometimes quite sharply, in their respective analysis. There are also many points of distinct and even outrageous error, even in some of the more well thought of works. Those in the first section that are, in my opinion, essential and critical in the telling of the story are marked with an asterisk (*title, author, year*); if you read nothing else, read these. The same convention is followed in the second section with the same advice.

              My list is by no means all inclusive and I am sure I’ve left out someone’s pet tome. Such an omission is probably because I have not read it. There are, and they shall remain nameless, however, others I have read and I leave off simply because, for my own reasons, I believe they have nothing redeeming to offer. On the other hand, there are a few included to which I take some exception, sometimes very unkind exception, to some of an author’s characterizations or conclusions, but include them because there are places where they do contribute to the body of knowledge; strictly my call. One should draw one’s own conclusions. I suspect, however, that if one were to read everything below, one would achieve a fairly competent understanding of the subject.

              SECTION 1 - DIRECTLY RELATED TO MIDWAY

              A Dawn Like Thunder: the True Story of Torpedo Squadron Eight by Robert Mrazek (2008)

              Midway Inquest: Why the Japanese Lost the Battle of Midway by Dallas W. Isom (2007) can be downloaded from here Midway Inquest: Why the Japanese Lost the Battle of Midway (Twentieth-Century Battles) - PDF eBook Free DOWNLOAD Note, this is some 425 pages.

              *Black Shoe Carrier Admiral: Frank Jack Fletcher at Coral Sea, Midway, and Guadalcanal by John Lundstrom (2006)*

              *No Right to Win: a Continuing Dialogue with Veterans of the Battle of Midway by Ronald W. Russell (2006)*

              *Shattered Sword: the Untold Story of the Battle of Midway by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully (2005)*

              The Unknown Battle of Midway: the Death of the Torpedo Squadrons by Alvin Kernan (2005)

              SBD-3 Dauntless; the Battle of Midway by Daniel Hernandez (2002)

              They Turned the War Around at Coral Sea and Midway by Stuart Ludlum (2000)

              *The Last Flight of Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Junior, USNR by Bowen P. Weisheit (1996)*

              *A Glorious Page in Our History by Robert Cressman, Steve Ewing, et. al.(1990)*

              *The First Team - Pacific Naval Air Combat from Pearl Harbor to Midway by John Lundstrom (1984; revised 2nd edition 1990)*

              *That Gallant Ship by Robert Cressman (1985 reprint 2000)*

              Miracle at Midway by Gordon W. Prange (1982)

              Incredible Victory by Walter Lord (1967)

              Rendezvous at Midway: USS Yorktown and the Japanese Carrier Fleet by Pat Frank and Joseph D. Harrington (1967)

              Midway: Turning Point of the Pacific by VADM William Ward Smith (1966)

              Midway: the Battle That Doomed Japan by Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya (1955)

              History of United States Naval Operations in World War II, Volume IV, Coral Sea, Midway, and Submarine Actions, May 1942 - August 1942 by Samuel E. Morison (1950)

              Marines at Midway by R. D. Heinl (1948) USMC Monograph: Marines at Midway

              *The Japanese Story of the Battle of Midway U.S. Navy publication OPNAV P32-1002 (1947) Japanese Story of the Battle of Midway *

              *The Battle of Midway Including the Aleutian Phase, June 3 to June 14, 1942: Strategical and Tactical Analysis by RADM Richard W Bates (1948) http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf * This is a 335 page document. Don’t buy it from some commercial website, dtic.mil will let you download for free.

              Battle Report, Volume III, Pacific War Middle Phase by Walter Karig (1947)

              SECTION 2 - OF INTEREST AND BEARING ON THE SUBJECT, OR PROVIDING INSIGHT INTO THE WHY’S AND WHEREFORE’S, OF MIDWAY:

              *Testing American Sea Power - US Navy Strategic Exercises, 1923-1940 by Craig C Felker (2007)*

              Thach Weave - The Life of Jimmie Thach by Steve Ewing (2004)

              *Sunburst - The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power, 1909-1941 by Mark Peattie (2002)*

              *Destined for Glory - Dive bombing, Midway, and the Evolution of Carrier Air Power by Tom Wildenberg (1998)*

              Combined Fleet Decoded by John Prados (1995)

              *A Priceless Advantage by Frederick D. Parker (1993) http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/priceless/*

              And I Was There by Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton (1985)

              The Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Strategy, February-June 1942 by H. P. Willmott (1983)

              Double-Edged Secrets by Captain C. Jasper Holmes (1979)

              A Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy by Paul Dull (1978)

              The Campaigns of the Pacific War USSBS (Pacific) Naval Analysis Division (1946) http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...gns/index.html

              The Big E by Edward P. Stafford (1960)


              And then there are the unit reports:

              Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet, Serial 01849 of 28 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid1.htm

              Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet, Serial 01753 of 21 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid2.htm

              Commander Cruisers, Pacific Fleet of 14 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid3.htm

              Commander Task Force SIXTEEN, Serial 0144A of 16 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid4.htm

              Commanding Officer, USS Hornet, Serial 0018 of 13 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid5.htm

              Commanding Officer, USS Enterprise, Serial 0133 of 8 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid6.htm

              Commanding Officer, USS Yorktown, of 18 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid7.htm

              Commander Destroyer Squadron SIX, Pacific Fleet, Serial 094 of 12 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid8.htm

              Commanding Officer, USS Hammann, Serial 2 of 16 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid9.htm

              VB-6 (Penland) ACA on carrier attack, Battle of Midway, 4 June 1942
              http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid10.htm

              U.S.S. YORKTOWN (CV-5), BOMB AND TORPEDO DAMAGE - Coral Sea, May 8, 1942
              http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/museum/War_Damage/23.pdf
              Photos
              http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/War...ls=3&PgConst=9

              U.S.S. YORKTOWN (CV-5), BOMB AND TORPEDO DAMAGE - Midway, June 4 to 7, 1942
              http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/museum/War_Damage/25.pdf
              Photos
              http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/War...ls=3&PgConst=7

              Other interesting damage reports
              http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/WarSummary.cgi

              NAVAL ANALYSIS DIVISION Interrogations of Japanese Officials OPNAV-P-03-100
              (Not just Midway)
              http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...IJO/index.html

              VB-3
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ports/vb-3.pdf

              NAS Midway (these are page by page, individual downloads)
              http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayWarDiary

              VP recommendations for decorations (these are page by page, individual downloads)
              http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayCommendations

              VP folks memos noting awards of medals (these are page by page, individual downloads)
              http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayMedals

              NAS Midway documents / war diary May 42 (these are page by page, individual downloads)
              http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASM...enView&Start=1

              MAG 22 (Kimes) report
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/mag22co.pdf

              MAG 22 (McCaul) report
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/mag22xo.pdf
              (missing the last two lines on last page: “- - - to tell what happened to the remainder of his unit nor the results obtained by their attack.”

              VMF-221 report
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/vmf-221.pdf

              VMSB-241 report
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/vmf-221.pdf

              VT-6 Laub ACA
              http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/action19420604-vt6.htm

              VS-6 report
              http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/action1...vs6.htm#fourth

              VB-5 report
              http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ports/vs-5.pdf

              CinCPac Operations Plan 29-42 27 May 1942
              Mission: Adm C W Nimitz, USN, organizes the forces under his command to prevent the capture and occupation of Midway by enemy forces
              (more popularly described as ‘the Midway Ops Order’)
              http://www.midway42.org/op-plan29-42.pdf

              To be remembered is that none of the books, reports, documents listed above are without error, some, very few, others quite a few so read carefully & don't get excited, usually the simplest explanation is probably correct.
              hmmm . . . I wonder what THIS button does . . . uh oh

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              • #8
                I think the section on the battle of Midway within Eagle versus the Sun by Ronald Spector is a very good start to understanding this important battle within the overall context of the pacific war.
                War is less costly than servitude

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RLeonard View Post
                  A modest recommended reading list for Midway . . . I have two Midway book lists, first are the works that bear specifically on the subject. Second are the works that a careful reading will provide some satisfying “ah-ha!” moments that go a long way in describing why or how some of the events in the battle played out as they did.

                  The listings in the two sections are, note, by publishing year in descending order, not by importance to the subject. There are distinct points where the various authors diverge, sometimes quite sharply, in their respective analysis. There are also many points of distinct and even outrageous error, even in some of the more well thought of works. Those in the first section that are, in my opinion, essential and critical in the telling of the story are marked with an asterisk (*title, author, year*); if you read nothing else, read these. The same convention is followed in the second section with the same advice.

                  My list is by no means all inclusive and I am sure I’ve left out someone’s pet tome. Such an omission is probably because I have not read it. There are, and they shall remain nameless, however, others I have read and I leave off simply because, for my own reasons, I believe they have nothing redeeming to offer. On the other hand, there are a few included to which I take some exception, sometimes very unkind exception, to some of an author’s characterizations or conclusions, but include them because there are places where they do contribute to the body of knowledge; strictly my call. One should draw one’s own conclusions. I suspect, however, that if one were to read everything below, one would achieve a fairly competent understanding of the subject.

                  SECTION 1 - DIRECTLY RELATED TO MIDWAY

                  A Dawn Like Thunder: the True Story of Torpedo Squadron Eight by Robert Mrazek (2008)

                  Midway Inquest: Why the Japanese Lost the Battle of Midway by Dallas W. Isom (2007) can be downloaded from here Midway Inquest: Why the Japanese Lost the Battle of Midway (Twentieth-Century Battles) - PDF eBook Free DOWNLOAD Note, this is some 425 pages.

                  *Black Shoe Carrier Admiral: Frank Jack Fletcher at Coral Sea, Midway, and Guadalcanal by John Lundstrom (2006)*

                  *No Right to Win: a Continuing Dialogue with Veterans of the Battle of Midway by Ronald W. Russell (2006)*

                  *Shattered Sword: the Untold Story of the Battle of Midway by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully (2005)*

                  The Unknown Battle of Midway: the Death of the Torpedo Squadrons by Alvin Kernan (2005)

                  SBD-3 Dauntless; the Battle of Midway by Daniel Hernandez (2002)

                  They Turned the War Around at Coral Sea and Midway by Stuart Ludlum (2000)

                  *The Last Flight of Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Junior, USNR by Bowen P. Weisheit (1996)*

                  *A Glorious Page in Our History by Robert Cressman, Steve Ewing, et. al.(1990)*

                  *The First Team - Pacific Naval Air Combat from Pearl Harbor to Midway by John Lundstrom (1984; revised 2nd edition 1990)*

                  *That Gallant Ship by Robert Cressman (1985 reprint 2000)*

                  Miracle at Midway by Gordon W. Prange (1982)

                  Incredible Victory by Walter Lord (1967)

                  Rendezvous at Midway: USS Yorktown and the Japanese Carrier Fleet by Pat Frank and Joseph D. Harrington (1967)

                  Midway: Turning Point of the Pacific by VADM William Ward Smith (1966)

                  Midway: the Battle That Doomed Japan by Mitsuo Fuchida and Masatake Okumiya (1955)

                  History of United States Naval Operations in World War II, Volume IV, Coral Sea, Midway, and Submarine Actions, May 1942 - August 1942 by Samuel E. Morison (1950)

                  Marines at Midway by R. D. Heinl (1948) USMC Monograph: Marines at Midway

                  *The Japanese Story of the Battle of Midway U.S. Navy publication OPNAV P32-1002 (1947) Japanese Story of the Battle of Midway *

                  *The Battle of Midway Including the Aleutian Phase, June 3 to June 14, 1942: Strategical and Tactical Analysis by RADM Richard W Bates (1948) http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...c=GetTRDoc.pdf * This is a 335 page document. Don’t buy it from some commercial website, dtic.mil will let you download for free.

                  Battle Report, Volume III, Pacific War Middle Phase by Walter Karig (1947)

                  SECTION 2 - OF INTEREST AND BEARING ON THE SUBJECT, OR PROVIDING INSIGHT INTO THE WHY’S AND WHEREFORE’S, OF MIDWAY:

                  *Testing American Sea Power - US Navy Strategic Exercises, 1923-1940 by Craig C Felker (2007)*

                  Thach Weave - The Life of Jimmie Thach by Steve Ewing (2004)

                  *Sunburst - The Rise of Japanese Naval Air Power, 1909-1941 by Mark Peattie (2002)*

                  *Destined for Glory - Dive bombing, Midway, and the Evolution of Carrier Air Power by Tom Wildenberg (1998)*

                  Combined Fleet Decoded by John Prados (1995)

                  *A Priceless Advantage by Frederick D. Parker (1993) http://www.centuryinter.net/midway/priceless/*

                  And I Was There by Rear Admiral Edwin T. Layton (1985)

                  The Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Strategy, February-June 1942 by H. P. Willmott (1983)

                  Double-Edged Secrets by Captain C. Jasper Holmes (1979)

                  A Battle History of the Imperial Japanese Navy by Paul Dull (1978)

                  The Campaigns of the Pacific War USSBS (Pacific) Naval Analysis Division (1946) http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...gns/index.html

                  The Big E by Edward P. Stafford (1960)


                  And then there are the unit reports:

                  Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet, Serial 01849 of 28 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid1.htm

                  Commander in Chief, Pacific Fleet, Serial 01753 of 21 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid2.htm

                  Commander Cruisers, Pacific Fleet of 14 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid3.htm

                  Commander Task Force SIXTEEN, Serial 0144A of 16 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid4.htm

                  Commanding Officer, USS Hornet, Serial 0018 of 13 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid5.htm

                  Commanding Officer, USS Enterprise, Serial 0133 of 8 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid6.htm

                  Commanding Officer, USS Yorktown, of 18 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid7.htm

                  Commander Destroyer Squadron SIX, Pacific Fleet, Serial 094 of 12 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid8.htm

                  Commanding Officer, USS Hammann, Serial 2 of 16 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid9.htm

                  VB-6 (Penland) ACA on carrier attack, Battle of Midway, 4 June 1942
                  http://www.history.navy.mil/docs/wwii/mid10.htm

                  U.S.S. YORKTOWN (CV-5), BOMB AND TORPEDO DAMAGE - Coral Sea, May 8, 1942
                  http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/museum/War_Damage/23.pdf
                  Photos
                  http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/War...ls=3&PgConst=9

                  U.S.S. YORKTOWN (CV-5), BOMB AND TORPEDO DAMAGE - Midway, June 4 to 7, 1942
                  http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/museum/War_Damage/25.pdf
                  Photos
                  http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/War...ls=3&PgConst=7

                  Other interesting damage reports
                  http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/cgi-bin/WarSummary.cgi

                  NAVAL ANALYSIS DIVISION Interrogations of Japanese Officials OPNAV-P-03-100
                  (Not just Midway)
                  http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/...IJO/index.html

                  VB-3
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ports/vb-3.pdf

                  NAS Midway (these are page by page, individual downloads)
                  http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayWarDiary

                  VP recommendations for decorations (these are page by page, individual downloads)
                  http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayCommendations

                  VP folks memos noting awards of medals (these are page by page, individual downloads)
                  http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASMidwayMedals

                  NAS Midway documents / war diary May 42 (these are page by page, individual downloads)
                  http://www.pby.com/Archives.nsf/NASM...enView&Start=1

                  MAG 22 (Kimes) report
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/mag22co.pdf

                  MAG 22 (McCaul) report
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/mag22xo.pdf
                  (missing the last two lines on last page: “- - - to tell what happened to the remainder of his unit nor the results obtained by their attack.”

                  VMF-221 report
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/vmf-221.pdf

                  VMSB-241 report
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ts/vmf-221.pdf

                  VT-6 Laub ACA
                  http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/action19420604-vt6.htm

                  VS-6 report
                  http://www.cv6.org/ship/logs/action1...vs6.htm#fourth

                  VB-5 report
                  http://home.comcast.net/~r2russ/midw...ports/vs-5.pdf

                  CinCPac Operations Plan 29-42 27 May 1942
                  Mission: Adm C W Nimitz, USN, organizes the forces under his command to prevent the capture and occupation of Midway by enemy forces
                  (more popularly described as ‘the Midway Ops Order’)
                  http://www.midway42.org/op-plan29-42.pdf

                  To be remembered is that none of the books, reports, documents listed above are without error, some, very few, others quite a few so read carefully & don't get excited, usually the simplest explanation is probably correct.
                  Thanks for the recommendations. A list I could always go to. I just received "Shattered Sword" in the post and I will start there. I already have some knowledge on the disastrous torpedo run by the The Douglas TBD Devastator's.

                  Regards,Kurt

                  Regards,
                  Theo mir ist die munition ausgegangen ich werde diesen ramman auf wiedersehen uns in walhalla

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Roadkiller View Post
                    I am not sure that without a basic grasp of the battle and a firm grasp of the principals of naval operations that Shattered Sword is a good place to start.
                    For example, there are long expositions about fleet maneuvers that many might find tedious. Especially if one doesn't know the myths that carefully tracing these maneuvers destroy.
                    Perhaps the grand-daddy of all Midway books, Lord's Incredible Victory would be a better starting point. While dated, it can be said with some truth that every book following it has been written either to defend, or counter, Lord's analysis.
                    I love Lord's book. It was the start of my interest in WWII when I first read it, age 13. I would also suggest Prange's Miracle at Midway http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-at-Mid.../dp/0140068147 as less special pleading than Shattered Sword.

                    This article http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalh...le-perspective in the US Naval Institute's Proceedings is a good start, also
                    Will no one tell me what she sings?--
                    Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
                    For old, unhappy, far-off things,
                    And battles long ago:
                    -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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                    • #11
                      I am still surprised why IJN didnt bring whole Kido Butai to Midway.
                      Why Shokaku and Zuikaku wasnt in that battle.

                      And Nagumo was very insdecisive in that battle,i forsee that Yamaguchi would done better.

                      Battle which practically wipe Kido Butai,loss of ships wasnt bad as loss of vastly experienced pilots.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hawker_gb View Post
                        I am still surprised why IJN didnt bring whole Kido Butai to Midway.
                        Why Shokaku and Zuikaku wasnt in that battle.

                        And Nagumo was very insdecisive in that battle,i forsee that Yamaguchi would done better.

                        Battle which practically wipe Kido Butai,loss of ships wasnt bad as loss of vastly experienced pilots.

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                        [technical]"Kido Butai" means "Attack Force", and you add the name of the admiral in charge to that force. Hence the "Nagumo Kido Butai" attacked Pearl Harbor. And the "Nagumo Kido Butai" consisted of the four carriers he was commanding at the time of the Midway battle, plus the support forces assigned to him.[/technical]
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hawker_gb View Post
                          I am still surprised why IJN didnt bring whole Kido Butai to Midway.
                          Why Shokaku and Zuikaku wasnt in that battle.

                          And Nagumo was very insdecisive in that battle,i forsee that Yamaguchi would done better.

                          Battle which practically wipe Kido Butai,loss of ships wasnt bad as loss of vastly experienced pilots.

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                          Walter Lord, in Incredible Victory https://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Vi...=1&*entries*=0 Addresses these very point very understandably.
                          Will no one tell me what she sings?--
                          Perhaps the plaintive numbers flow
                          For old, unhappy, far-off things,
                          And battles long ago:
                          -William Wordsworth, "The Solitary Reaper"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OpanaPointer View Post
                            [technical]"Kido Butai" means "Attack Force", and you add the name of the admiral in charge to that force. Hence the "Nagumo Kido Butai" attacked Pearl Harbor. And the "Nagumo Kido Butai" consisted of the four carriers he was commanding at the time of the Midway battle, plus the support forces assigned to him.[/technical]
                            Kido Butai is name of task force.

                            And its Mobile Force

                            So,Kido Butai (Mobile Force) carrying 1st Air Fleet to be precise
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hawker_gb View Post
                              Kido Butai is name of task force.

                              And its Mobile Force

                              So,Kido Butai (Mobile Force) carrying 1st Air Fleet to be precise
                              STRIKING FORCE according to my friends in Japan.
                              Hyperwar: World War II on the World Wide Web
                              Hyperwar, Whats New
                              World War II Resources
                              The best place in the world to "work".

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