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  • Spitfires... again!

    You can never get too much of Spitfires...

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    The long toll of the brave
    Is not lost in darkness
    Over the fruitful earth
    And athwart the seas
    Hath passed the light of noble deeds
    Unquenchable forever.

  • #2
    great print but really surprised that you, of all people, posted something about the Spitfires.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      You really can't.



      It's a shame there aren't many films of the real thing out there, the Spit was an awesome machine!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
        great print but really surprised that you, of all people, posted something about the Spitfires.
        Well, I've only just found out about 'em... and got all exicited, like!
        The long toll of the brave
        Is not lost in darkness
        Over the fruitful earth
        And athwart the seas
        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
        Unquenchable forever.

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        • #5
          Your'e a funny man Von!

          God knows, ANY criticism of the Said Wonderbirds will be instantly pounced on by irate British posters.

          I could suggest that the Spitfire had an "uncomfortable seat" and get buried with a ton people telling me how extremely comfortable and war winning Spitfire seats were, how important it's seats were to seat desgn, and how efficiently they operated compared to other, non-British seats, even though they were not mass produced, qith quality rather than quantity as the main issue, and Oh! didn't we get swamped by inferior Yank seats when they came over here, "unseating" us from our rightful role as the senior partner in the Western allied seating effort....

          Yes, the Spitfire had wonderful comfortable, war winning seats alright.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
            Yes, the Spitfire had wonderful comfortable, war winning seats alright.
            Seat DN, it's seat, the Spitfire only had one, unless it had two...



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            Is not lost in darkness
            Over the fruitful earth
            And athwart the seas
            Hath passed the light of noble deeds
            Unquenchable forever.

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            • #7
              Don't knock seat comfort as an important factor. Years ago heard a talk by one of the last surviving Camel pilots who mentioned that the critical factor in the length of a Camel patrol was not fuel but the pain in the pilot's bum. The Camel seat was very small and very hard and the point would come when the pilot could no longer stand it and had to head for home. Biggles never mentions that!
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              • #8
                See? Was I wrong in my assumptions?

                I'll bet Rolls Royce had an entire Seat Division, with a testing room, and volunteers from operational units, and a special wartime supply of horsehair stuffing for the continuance of this valuable and vital research.

                Is there ANYTHING on a spitfire that WASN'T World class?

                Did the windscreens fog up at altitude?
                Did the taiwheel collapse only after a few landings?

                Tell us something, ANYTHING that wasn't the perfect example of British engineering PLEASE...someone...Mark, for Lord's Sake, you must know of a chink in the Fabled Armour, as a Member of the Royal Rolls Family and all, surely over Brandy late at night, the terrible scerets of spifire faults were divulged to family members?

                I am not being sarcastic, either.

                SURELY there was something to complain about....
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                • #9
                  Biggles never mentions working away with a pen knife to roll a genrous joint either, as testified to in "Biggles and The Naughty Things"...

                  I'll bet the twin engined Jupiter had comfortable, superior British seats as well...and a Tea maker kettle.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                    See? Was I wrong in my assumptions?

                    I'll bet Rolls Royce had an entire Seat Division, with a testing room, and volunteers from operational units, and a special wartime supply of horsehair stuffing for the continuance of this valuable and vital research.

                    Is there ANYTHING on a spitfire that WASN'T World class?

                    Did the windscreens fog up at altitude?
                    Did the taiwheel collapse only after a few landings?

                    Tell us something, ANYTHING that wasn't the perfect example of British engineering PLEASE...someone...Mark, for Lord's Sake, you must know of a chink in the Fabled Armour, as a Member of the Royal Rolls Family and all, surely over Brandy late at night, the terrible scerets of spifire faults were divulged to family members?

                    I am not being sarcastic, either.

                    SURELY there was something to complain about....
                    • lack of fuel injection on early models of the Merlin so that the engine cut if one pulled negative G which is why you see shots of spits rolling on their backs to dive
                    • lack of a clear indicator that the under cart was up or down on early models which caused many pilots transitioning from Gladiators or Furies to do wheels up landings

                    BTW in both Spitfire and Hurricane the pilot was sitting on his parachute pack which fitted in to the bottom of the seat.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                      BTW in both Spitfire and Hurricane the pilot was sitting on his parachute pack which fitted in to the bottom of the seat.
                      Making them the two most comfortable aircraft in the history of air warfare.
                      The long toll of the brave
                      Is not lost in darkness
                      Over the fruitful earth
                      And athwart the seas
                      Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                      Unquenchable forever.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                        Biggles never mentions that!
                        He doesn't mention that said seat was bolted to the petrol tank, and that there was a castor oil tank on the end of his nose, wafting it's fumes all over him. The reason the Camel pilots were uncomfortable was, every time they farted they followed through and shat themselves!

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                        Is not lost in darkness
                        Over the fruitful earth
                        And athwart the seas
                        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                        Unquenchable forever.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Von Richter View Post
                          He doesn't mention that said seat was bolted to the petrol tank, and that there was a castor oil tank on the end of his nose, wafting it's fumes all over him. The reason the Camel pilots were uncomfortable was, every time they farted they followed through and shat themselves!

                          You appear to have a very doubtful knowledge of the structure of a Sopwith Camel
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                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #14
                            it's less about the machine than it is about the man behind the controls. A Spitfire flown by a noob was more often than not bait for the FW and ME.

                            The early models of Spitfire lacked fuel injectors, IIRC. The Me-109's had that advantage. The engine of the Spitfire was also vulnerable to ground fire, which limited it's effectiveness as a ground attack aircraft.

                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                            You appear to have a very doubtful knowledge of the structure of a Sopwith Camel
                            No, that part is correct. Castor oil was used as the lubricant for the Camel's engine and pilots more often than not experienced explosive diarrhea upon landing.
                            Last edited by ChazB; 30 Jan 16, 17:25.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                              great print but really surprised that you, of all people, posted something about the Spitfires.
                              Now if he would just post something about Lancasters...

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