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    One of the most versatile and lethal aircraft of the Luftwaffe during World War II, the Junkers Ju-87 has been tested in numerous versions. The link you find on this post provides a collection of pictures showing several of them, some exclusive and never before seen by me in other publications. To see the photos, visit the link below:


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com...-87-stuka.html


    Best Regards!

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    Originally posted by wolfpack41 View Post
    One of the most versatile and lethal aircraft of the Luftwaffe during World War II, the Junkers Ju-87 has been tested in numerous versions. The link you find on this post provides a collection of pictures showing several of them, some exclusive and never before seen by me in other publications. To see the photos, visit the link below:


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com...-87-stuka.html


    Best Regards!
    they were extremely lethal when there targets had nothing in the air to defend them but against good fighter air craft they proved themselves woefully inadequate as proven in certain well known cases. lcm1
    'By Horse by Tram'.


    I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
    " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
      they were extremely lethal when there targets had nothing in the air to defend them but against good fighter air craft they proved themselves woefully inadequate as proven in certain well known cases. lcm1
      That would be... OPERATION SEA LION!!!
      The long toll of the brave
      Is not lost in darkness
      Over the fruitful earth
      And athwart the seas
      Hath passed the light of noble deeds
      Unquenchable forever.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Von Richter View Post


        That would be... OPERATION SEA LION!!!
        Oooo, you are a one!!!
        'By Horse by Tram'.


        I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
        " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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        • #5
          For 1935 when it was introduced it was way ahead of its time, but by 1940 it was really showing its age. That doesn't mean it wasn't still lethal against ground targets.
          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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          • #6
            Increasingly fewer ground targets as light AA improved along with an understanding of just how vulnerable a dive bomber could be to it. A lot of the initial success was psychological (hence the trumpets of doom fitted) demoralising and disorientating the attacked.
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
              they were extremely lethal when there targets had nothing in the air to defend them but against good fighter air craft they proved themselves woefully inadequate as proven in certain well known cases. lcm1
              Originally posted by Von Richter View Post


              That would be... OPERATION SEA LION!!!
              Of course, the Fairey Battle could be considered to be on the other side of the same coin.

              [.....]
              On 14 May 1940, in a desperate attempt to stop German forces crossing the Meuse, the Advanced Air Striking Force launched an "all-out" attack by all available bombers against the German bridgehead and pontoon bridges at Sedan. The light bombers were attacked by swarms of opposing fighters and were devastated. Out of a strike force of 63 Battles and eight Bristol Blenheims, 40 (including 35 Battles) were lost.[18][19] After these abortive raids, the Battle was switched to mainly night attacks, resulting in much lower losses.[20]

              A similar situation befell the German Luftwaffe during the early days of the Battle of Britain, when the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive bomber suffered equivalent losses in a similar role.
              [.....]
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Battle

              Unfortunately for the brave Battle crews, they carried three crewmen, as opposed to the Stuka's two.
              "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
              "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

              "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
              — Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by At ease View Post
                Of course, the Fairey Battle could be considered to be on the other side of the same coin.

                .
                A closer analogy would be the Loire Nieuport 40 dive bomber which had the same inverted gull wing configuration as the Stuka (but a retracting undercarriage). Cut to pieces in 1940 although they did quite well against the Italians

                The Germans actually had a Battle equivalent the He 70 K Blitz which was used in Spain but was withdrawn from service just before WW2. A better looking aircraft than the Battle it had the added disadvantage that the fuselage was made of a magnesium alloy that burned very readily. The Hungarians did use the He 170 which was an up engined version but got shot of it as soon as possible in 1942.
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  He 70K http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6g_Qxg7WHH...600/he70_4.jpg
                  Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                  Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                  • #10
                    Loire Nieuport 40 http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircr...rt-ln401_3.jpg
                    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                    • #11
                      Maybe we could conclude that it was more dependent upon how and when you used it? The -87 and Il-2 and equivilents were / probably would have been cut to pieces in Wesetrn Europe but worked in the low density conflicts in the East. A better bet - though it ws not immediately apparently - was the high-speed fighter-bomber with sufficient power to attack and escape.
                      History is not tragedy; to understand historical reality, it is sometimes better to not know the end of the story.

                      Pierre Vidal-Naquet

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                      • #12
                        The Ju 87 was a dive bomber the Il 2 was not. The Il 2 was relatively well armoured, the Ju 87 was not. Chalk and cheese.
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                        • #13
                          If you like the Stuka, you should also like the HS 123. The German troops loved them and the Luftwaffe flew them until they fell apart.

                          Pruitt
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                            Increasingly fewer ground targets as light AA improved along with an understanding of just how vulnerable a dive bomber could be to it. A lot of the initial success was psychological (hence the trumpets of doom fitted) demoralising and disorientating the attacked.
                            Changing the theatre, how then did the US Navy's Douglas SBD Dauntless rate ?
                            "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                            Samuel Johnson.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                              If you like the Stuka, you should also like the HS 123. The German troops loved them and the Luftwaffe flew them until they fell apart.

                              Pruitt
                              They actually asked that production be resumed. One reason was they could operate under conditions (such as the mud and slush of a Russian winter) when nothing else could get off the ground and they could operate from small grass fields close to the front line. The engine was very noisy and had a similar psychological effect on those attacked as the Stuka's trumpet of death siren.
                              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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