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  • Who killed the Red Baron?

    Just finished watching NOVA and it's program on the death of Baron Manfred von Richthofen the Red Baron. When I was a kid I read a book on the Red Baron and his flying circus and it said that Richthofen was shot down by Cpt. Roy Brown. On this program a number of theories have been advanced as to who killed Richthofen, the least likely explaination is Roy Brown. So who killed the Red Baron, was it....

    1. Cpt. Roy Brown
    2. Was he murdered by Canadian soldiers
    3. Was he shot down by an Australian two-seater
    4. Was it someone from an Australian AA battery
    5. Some unknown rifleman

    Here is the link to the NOVA program in question.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/redbaron/theories.html

  • #2
    Here are some more links:

    http://www.anzacs.net/MvR_English.htm

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    • #3
      I saw an analysis on the shooting, but I forgot the the result (I only remember after the turn one private was successful)...
      a brain cell

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      • #4
        The best analysis I have seen showed that the autopsy revealed the bullets that killed him came up through his body from below. This was consistent with the Australian Vickers MG and riflemen who were shooting at him. But then I'm biased.

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        • #5
          Well in a tv programme I watched recently the conclusion was that it had to be either the riflemen or, more likely, one of the MGs. IIRC the Red Baron was only hit by one bullet, despite the hail of fire that reportedly enveloped his aircraft. But one bullet was enough!
          Signing out.

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          • #6
            I am also interested in WWI planes and aces. Richtoffen has always been the most famous pilot but there are many others who deserve interest.

            For those among you interested, see this link http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/voss/56.html about the last flight of Werner Voss. He was shot down when fighting solo against seven experienced ennemies. All of them received some shots from Voss.
            Cual lidian bien, sobre dorado arzón
            Mio Cid Ruy Diaz, el buen lidiador;
            Minaya Alvar Fáñez, que en Zorita mandó;
            Martín Antolínez, el burgalés de pro...!

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            • #7
              A lot of bets are on Cedric Popkin or some unknown Australian rifleman.

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              • #8
                There was a very good report on the subject under the title Manfred von Richtoffen who fired the final shot? in the following address: http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/comment/richt.htm but it seems it has been removed. I thought I had a copy on my hard disk but not. Sorry
                Cual lidian bien, sobre dorado arzón
                Mio Cid Ruy Diaz, el buen lidiador;
                Minaya Alvar Fáñez, que en Zorita mandó;
                Martín Antolínez, el burgalés de pro...!

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                • #9
                  Either of the Canadian options of course

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Minaya
                    There was a very good report on the subject under the title Manfred von Richtoffen who fired the final shot? in the following address: http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/comment/richt.htm but it seems it has been removed. I thought I had a copy on my hard disk but not. Sorry
                    The internet Archive can often work magic for lost or old websites:
                    http://www.archive.org/

                    The revived article can be seen here:
                    http://web.archive.org/web/200207170...ment/richt.htm

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                    • #11
                      Thanks a lot for the link, Martin! I hope that you all will find the article is of interest.
                      Cual lidian bien, sobre dorado arzón
                      Mio Cid Ruy Diaz, el buen lidiador;
                      Minaya Alvar Fáñez, que en Zorita mandó;
                      Martín Antolínez, el burgalés de pro...!

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                      • #12
                        Indeed there is,the great RFC pilot Mick Mannock being one of them.He was well known for not reporting kills and for giving kills away to rookie pilots,some millitary historians believe his score could well have exceeded Richthoffens.
                        Don't worry men..They couldn't hit an Elephant at this dist....

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                        • #13
                          Whoever fired the fatal shots, there can be no doubt as to who looted the Red Baron's corpse: The Australian War Memorial here in Canberra still has his boots on display

                          Here's one of them:
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                          • #14
                            He was buried with full military honours by the Australians I beleive. About who shot him down I am also biased towards the Canadian view. I never heard about this RFC pilot who gave away his kills though. That's a very interesting story.
                            There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. -Henry Kissinger

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Case
                              Whoever fired the fatal shots, there can be no doubt as to who looted the Red Baron's corpse: The Australian War Memorial here in Canberra still has his boots on display

                              Here's one of them:
                              Yes, thats really too bad about what happened. Because of the looting and everyone wanting to get a piece of the plane much of the crucial evidence was destroyed. I beleive there is a documentary on the Red Baron coming up soon.
                              There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full. -Henry Kissinger

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