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  • "Du Doch Nicht!"

    An exact translation from German to English is not possible, but it means roughly "no you don't!!".

    German WWI fighter ace Ernst Udet had this slogan painted on the horizontal stabilizer of his Fokker VII aircraft.

    A colorful figure who carried a shock-resistant liquor bar inside his airplanes, Udet became a fighter ace and after the war a big shot in Reich Air Ministry.

    He committed suicide due to job pressures and nervous breakdown because he wasn't really the administrator/manager type.

    Interesting story.
    Last edited by MonsterZero; 22 Mar 16, 07:34.

    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

  • #2
    Odd - if an Allied fighter got close enough to be able to read that Udet would have been toast.

    BTW isn't that the elevator rather than the stabilizer?
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
      Odd - if an Allied fighter got close enough to be able to read that Udet would have been toast.

      BTW isn't that the elevator rather than the stabilizer?
      You are right, it's called an elevator

      "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
      --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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      • #4
        IIRC, Udet was a major proponent of dive bombing.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          IIRC, Udet was a major proponent of dive bombing.
          With support from Richthofen (Not Manfred or Lothar but their cousin Wolfram) who observed the Spanish Nationalists using the He 51 very effectively in this role.
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • #6
            Nice.
            As is often the case with these slogans, they are meant either just for the photo op, or for one's own morale, not actually for the enemy. Remember those written on aerial bombs... if the thing worked as intended, the addressees wouldn't read the writing, of course. But this did not stop the writers.
            Michele

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Michele View Post
              Nice.
              As is often the case with these slogans, they are meant either just for the photo op, or for one's own morale, not actually for the enemy. Remember those written on aerial bombs... if the thing worked as intended, the addressees wouldn't read the writing, of course. But this did not stop the writers.
              And on shells but slogans/nose art etc on aircraft are a little different
              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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              • #8
                Somebody else pointed out the most glaring problem with the slogan.

                If a young Frenchman or Englishman is on Udet's tail, what are the ods he can read German?

                5% chance?

                "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                  Somebody else pointed out the most glaring problem with the slogan.

                  If a young Frenchman or Englishman is on Udet's tail, what are the ods he can read German?

                  5% chance?
                  Which confirms my take of this. It's not written for enemy fighter pilots.
                  Michele

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                  • #10
                    Nevertheless, Udet was an excellent pilot, as testified by Eric Brown.

                    Paul
                    ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                    All human ills he can subdue,
                    Or with a bauble or medal
                    Can win mans heart for you;
                    And many a blessing know to stew
                    To make a megloamaniac bright;
                    Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                    The Pixie is a little shite.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                      Somebody else pointed out the most glaring problem with the slogan.

                      If a young Frenchman or Englishman is on Udet's tail, what are the ods he can read German?

                      5% chance?
                      Possibly more than today . many public or grammar schools in Britain (and the equivalent in France) taught German before WW1.

                      BTW there were some Irish, Scots and Welsh fighter aces not to mention some very capable Belgian ones
                      Last edited by MarkV; 23 Mar 16, 17:20.
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #12
                        Welsh Fighter Aces were all st-st-stuttt-stuttering dwarfs.
                        The long toll of the brave
                        Is not lost in darkness
                        Over the fruitful earth
                        And athwart the seas
                        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                        Unquenchable forever.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Von Richter View Post
                          Welsh Fighter Aces were all st-st-stuttt-stuttering dwarfs.
                          To which Ira 'Taffy' Jones DSO and forty victories in eight months would raise a richly deserved two fingers as would also Rhys Davids and many others - shame on you sir, cover your head with odure
                          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                          • #14
                            "Du Doch Nicht!!"


                            Should have been

                            Du??? Doch Nicht!!

                            or

                            You??? Not yet!!
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                              To which Ira 'Taffy' Jones DSO and forty victories in eight months would raise a richly deserved two fingers as would also Rhys Davids and many others - shame on you sir, cover your head with odure
                              Arthur Percival Foley Rhys Davids was English born old chap, though his Dad was Welsh. Taffy is one of my Heroes, all his books a delight to read. There's a tale he got a bollocking, from his CO, after meeting the King. Taffy was so nervous his stammer was worse than ever when answering a question from the King. His CO thought Taffy was making fun of His Maj... so gave him a rocket!



                              The long toll of the brave
                              Is not lost in darkness
                              Over the fruitful earth
                              And athwart the seas
                              Hath passed the light of noble deeds
                              Unquenchable forever.

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