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  • Canadian Naval Review Essay Competition

    Lots of great opinion and information gets exchanged here on the ACG (Navy). So I thought I'd point out an opportunity where you might win $1000 (CAD) for putting your thoughts and research on paper.

    The Canadian Naval Review is running its' annual essay contest, details here:
    http://naval.review.cfps.dal.ca/essay_competition.php

    And, if you're not interested, maybe you can help me out I'm seriously thinking of giving it a shot, but can't quite connect the dots with the information in my brain on an approach. So throw out some ideas on these topics:

    •Contemporary and future Canadian naval policy;
    •Canadian maritime security;
    •Canadian naval operations;
    •Canadian oceans policy.

    I don't think you need to worry about the Canadian "spin". Our concerns will reflect most nations with a small navy and deep water interests. Of course, the one that's been done to death is the "thawing" of the Northwest Passage and it's effect on Canadian Naval policy

    Good luck to any that decide to enter and looking forward to some brainstorming on topics.
    Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

  • #2
    Probably bad form to reply to my own post so quickly, but I also wanted to point out that there is an historical essay contest running as well:

    http://naval.review.cfps.dal.ca/essay_competition2.php


    "... The Canadian Naval Memorial Trust Essay Competition prizes will be awarded to the best and second best essays written on some aspect of Canadian naval history in the period 1910 to 1990. Essays should either examine the relevance of any lessons learned to contemporary situations or provide a fresh perspective on the origins, course and implications of some event or policy. ..."

    Maybe I should just regail them with the tale of me going through basic training
    Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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    • #3
      How about asking whether Canada should invest in Amphibious assault ships? Given how many nations either possess or plan to obtain vessels in this class it certainly isn't unreasonable that Canada would have equivalent ships.

      1) It would greatly increase our ability to rapidly deploy the CF to foreign hot spots and aid situations (such as Haiti)
      2) The warships would have a moderate complement of helicopters which play such a large role in ASW, which I predict will become increasingly important as more and more nations develop next gen diesel submarines with AIP systems, etc.
      3) If Canada buys the JSF, we might be able to purchase some of the carrier-variant and fly them off these "heli-carriers" and put Canada back in the "carrier" game for the first time since the 70s (?).

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      • #4
        Actually, I think Canada might be better served by investing in several of the large "antisub" destroyers that Japan is working on. Might even make for an interesting joint operation. If they want amphibious capability, they would probably be better served by having 2 of these destroyers and 1 LPD than having an LHD or equivalent. I just cannot see many situations where Canada would need the ability to land 1 or 2 battalions of troops amphibiously in a combat zone. Excepting a NATO mission, and then they would be better served by having a logistics support and limited heloborne/seaborne landing capability instead of a larger short-term capacity.
        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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        • #5
          While it would be great to have as many ships as possible, it seems to me that the Canadian government is more likely to go for a ship which offers the most capabilities. Given that Canada already likes to operate large helicopters off of its destroyers and frigates, I can't see them (the government) approving a ship as specialized as a Helicopter Destroyer.

          Personally I think having a couple of helicopter destroyers and LPDs would be great, but I doubt the government would ever fund them.

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          • #6
            Well, I just see the LHD as being 1 ship with a very limited capacity as an aircraft carrier, and the amphibious uses aren't much good to Canada unless they're performing force projection in a littoral area. An LHD has little to no defensive value, and indeed requires a small battlegroup to protect it against threats.

            Helicopter Destroyers OTOH, have intrinsic value as antisub platforms. The helos make them better at that mission, but they're still a capable destroyer with or without the helos. The helicopter capacity gives the HD a limited force projection capacity in littoral special operations and ground fighting. However, Canada could use HDs to REPLACE retiring destroyers, whereas with the LHD Canada would have to PROVIDE at least 2-4 destroyers to escort the asset.
            Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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            • #7
              Thanks for the input guys.

              There has been plenty of discussion about Canada acquiring an amphip capability. A few years ago the USS GUNSTON HALL worked out of Halifax to land a unit from the R22E (the "Van doos") at the US Marine training facility in Virginia. The "Van Doos" took every type of Canadian pattern military vehicle to see if they could be landed on a beach. There were also many lessons learned from the naval perspective.

              What I don't think has been examined in any serious way is the possibilty of the Canadian navy needing a ship on the pattern developed by the JMSDF. This might be an interesting avenue to explore.
              Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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              • #8
                I've been doing some reading on the Japanese "Hyuga" class helicopter destroyer. Certainly an interesting design!

                The crew is said to be 340, does anyone know if that includes the air department?
                Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Roadkiller View Post
                  I've been doing some reading on the Japanese "Hyuga" class helicopter destroyer. Certainly an interesting design!

                  The crew is said to be 340, does anyone know if that includes the air department?
                  I read a similar figure from several different sources, none of which mention a separate air department, so I think it's safe to assume it's included.

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                  • #10
                    Maybe the Canadian government could cut a deal with the French and Russian governments and buy in on the potential purchase of a "Mistral" class by the Russians.

                    Any deal for new ships would require Canadian content. This usually means built in Canada. I think the most efficient way to get hulls in the water at this point, would be to build a ship(s) under licence. Do we really need home grown designs?
                    Amateurs study tactics, Professionals study logistics.

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                    • #11
                      Even though it's been done to death, I'm not sure you can ignore the coastal defense needs in the north.

                      I would think that any major surface vessel(s) we buy/build need to be deployable to anywhere, including the north. How well is a Japanese destroyer going to be able to deal with the rigors of long term operation in arctic waters? I might tend to trust Russian designs a bit more there. How suitable is a helicopter destroyer for work in that kind of environment?

                      Btw, for my own edification, do we have a northern naval base capable of supporting coastal defense of the north? If not, do we need one (seems likely).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                        Even though it's been done to death, I'm not sure you can ignore the coastal defense needs in the north.

                        Oh, I'm not. I'm just not sure I can come up with a new viewpoint. This ( http://www.natice.noaa.gov/icefree/f...cticreport.pdf ) is a pretty good summary of the challenges ahead in that part of the world. Note in the list of attendees is (then) Capt. Dean McFadden. He's now VAdm McFadden, Chief of Maritime Staff.


                        Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                        I would think that any major surface vessel(s) we buy/build need to be deployable to anywhere, including the north. How well is a Japanese destroyer going to be able to deal with the rigors of long term operation in arctic waters? I might tend to trust Russian designs a bit more there. How suitable is a helicopter destroyer for work in that kind of environment?
                        To be honest, likely no better or worse than our own. This ship ( http://www.casr.ca/id-danish-naval-p...-rasmussen.htm ) keeps coming up in discussions about a dedicated Canadian arctic patrol ship.

                        Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                        Btw, for my own edification, do we have a northern naval base capable of supporting coastal defense of the north? If not, do we need one (seems likely).
                        No we don't. The CF, Coast Guard and sometimes the RCMP deploy annually to the far north in an exercise called Op Nanook ( http://www.canadacom.forces.gc.ca/da...nanook-eng.asp ) , but logistics is a huge challenge. There is a mandate to create a support base in the north, I'm not sure of the time-line it's supposed to be operational.

                        Note, Canadian Forces Station Alert is too far north and doesn't have a harbour - http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/alert.html
                        Last edited by Roadkiller; 11 Mar 10, 14:30.
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