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  • Should the navy use USS Bunker Hill (CG-52) as a test bed.

    Pretty much what the title suggests, instead of decommissioning this ship should the US navy put the Aegis system in auto mode and saturate it with real missiles and swarm attacks. This will be as realistic as one could get in gathering data on the probability of kill ratio, and at what range the system effectively deals with the threats... and how the decoys and CIWS cope with multiple targets. Data from underwater attacks on the USS America (CV-66) were deemed crucial for future aircraft carrier design, perhaps some real data on swarm attacks and/or supersonic anti ship missiles should be seriously considered as well.
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    Giving it a full load of SAMs just so that they can sink it would be pretty expensive.
    Also, following the reports from the 7th Fleet DDG collisions, the AEgis system could be cannibalized for parts that seem to be in short supply (according to the investigations).
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
      Giving it a full load of SAMs just so that they can sink it would be pretty expensive.
      Also, following the reports from the 7th Fleet DDG collisions, the AEgis system could be cannibalized for parts that seem to be in short supply (according to the investigations).
      If everything works as claimed, the ship should still be floating and ready to decommission... and cannibalise.
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      • #4
        Maybe not give it a full load.

        But maybe seal everything like it would be at full battle stations, put AEGIS on automatic, and:

        Put the number of missiles aboard that the experts say will be needed to defeat X, Y, and Z attack profiles.

        Attack it with X, Y, and then Z profiles, sending techs aboard after each one to check systems and make sure everything is working optimally so the test doesn't get accidentally flawed by something malfunctioning that they don't know about.
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        • #5
          I think they should run a Service Life Extension Program on her. We are short on the number of ships we need as it is.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
            Maybe not give it a full load.

            But maybe seal everything like it would be at full battle stations, put AEGIS on automatic, and:

            Put the number of missiles aboard that the experts say will be needed to defeat X, Y, and Z attack profiles.

            Attack it with X, Y, and then Z profiles, sending techs aboard after each one to check systems and make sure everything is working optimally so the test doesn't get accidentally flawed by something malfunctioning that they don't know about.
            My take on it is to use real weapons, or at the very least simulated ones to match the high speeds and radar signatures in order to test the ship under realistic scenarios.
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            • #7
              I agree with those saying it should be used as a testbed. It may be "expensive" in the short term, but will save lives and ships in the future. Other than having room for a command staff, it really can't do anything that a Burke can't. It has a slightly larger missile loadout, but Burkes have a larger capacity than almost any other nations AAW destroyers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
                Giving it a full load of SAMs just so that they can sink it would be pretty expensive.
                Also, following the reports from the 7th Fleet DDG collisions, the AEgis system could be cannibalized for parts that seem to be in short supply (according to the investigations).
                because we can really afford gaps in crucial knowledge about our capabilities?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post

                  If everything works as claimed, the ship should still be floating and ready to decommission... and cannibalise.
                  If everything works as claimed...

                  ...but...would you install parts in your ship that survived that test? Cheaper to install new ones.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by General_Jacke View Post

                    because we can really afford gaps in crucial knowledge about our capabilities?
                    Correct. That would be penny-wise, pound-foolish.

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                    • #11
                      for me i would simply set the ship up with the expected number of missiles to defeat an attack of 8 missiles. if it survives that, then i'd load it up with cheaper duds if thats possible and send a massive saturation attack, and just track how many trainer missiles get close enough to count as a kill had it been a live missile...if such missiles actually exist for use of course.
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                      A man dies and leaves his name,
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