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  • Large European Frigates: Destroyers in Disguise?

    Ship classification terminologies have always been in flux thanks to the constantly-evolving nature of naval warfare. The word “frigate” originally carried a connotation of speed and applied to ships not intended for the battle line; later, a frigate was any warship which carried its guns on a single deck, so many early ironclads were technically frigates. In modern times, surface combatant classification has centered around displacement instead of characteristics such as sail configuration or number of gun decks. In this size-based hierarchy, a frigate is a warship which is smaller than a destroyer but larger than a corvette.
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    This is far from an ideal state of affairs, but there is no real alternative. Ships are classified by the navies which commission them, and, for the sake of consistency and clarity, everyone uses the given classification. As such, naval enthusiasts and analysts should recognize the diversity of frigates and be vigilant when considering frigate types with which they may not be familiar.
    https://whitefleet.net/2018/01/09/fr...ates-toe-line/


    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
    Ernest Hemingway.

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    I am reminded a bit of how the Russian Navy used to have smaller ships for their classification. They looked like they were overarmed, but they often did not have many reloads for the weapons shown. I would prefer the US Navy practice of having fewer weapon systems shown but with more reloads.

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    • #3
      Some French ships are called frigates by the French Navy, yet have "D" pennant/hull numbers since they are denoted as Destroyers by NATO. The ambiguousness of it is why my recent thread considered them to be the same thing.

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      • #4
        Corvette, Frigate. Destroyer, Cruiser, flush deck cruiser, helicopter destroyer, light carrier.....

        All of these designations have been muddled to the point of uselessness.

        The reason that in the mid 20th century we had some uniformity in designations is because of Washington and London naval treaties. They named things based on size and role. And put criteria. Without that it is purely based on what the nation in question wants to call it.

        Look up scout cruisers pre WW1. They run the gamut from oversized destroyers on up to miniature battlecruisers. It all depends on what the nation wants to call it.
        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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        • #5
          With Great Britain, Canada and Australia going with the new Type 26, there will be very few examples of old-style smaller frigates left in NATO or peer Western navies. The Netherlands and Belgium are looking at replacing their frigates, which only leaves Spain with several Perrys left of the major ones. I'm not sure of the status of the old WP/current NATO Eastern European navies.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
            The reason that in the mid 20th century we had some uniformity in designations is because of Washington and London naval treaties. They named things based on size and role. And put criteria. Without that it is purely based on what the nation in question wants to call it.
            Then the Germans came and screwed it all up with their "panzerschiffes".

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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              Then the Germans came and screwed it all up with their "panzerschiffes".
              Actually it makes perfect sense given the times.

              The Germans weren't held to Washington. They were held to Versailles, which had a different bent and restrictions. Hell, they even offered to go by Washington standards, but the French rejected any modification to the Versailles treaty (that was ultimately probably a bad move on their part). Panzerschiffe literally means 'armored ship'. And it literally was an armored ship. It wasn't a cruiser by WNT standards because it had battleship armament on cruiser displacement with cruiser armor.

              I think that we need to do a realignment of nomenclature to be honest.

              Under 2600t, Corvette

              Under 5000t, Frigate

              Under 10,000t, Destroyer

              Over 10,000t, Cruiser

              Carries more than 6 manned aircraft as a standard loadout....carrier.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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