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  • Analysis : Are Missile Boats Still Relevant in Modern Warfare?

    Great old article I found while browsing the web because of the thread about Cold War missile boats.

    It appears that for those countries who still invest in missile boats, these boats are slower morphing into corvettes in order to fulfil roles for smaller navies with limited capital to invest in large navies. Geography seems to play the biggest part in dictating which country would really utilise them the most.

    https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/11/...odern-warfare/
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    Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
    Great old article I found while browsing the web because of the thread about Cold War missile boats.

    It appears that for those countries who still invest in missile boats, these boats are slower morphing into corvettes in order to fulfil roles for smaller navies with limited capital to invest in large navies. Geography seems to play the biggest part in dictating which country would really utilise them the most.

    https://defencyclopedia.com/2016/11/...odern-warfare/
    For a small, 4G nation intent on taking on a naval power, they are a cheap and effective way to attack much larger opponents.
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    • #3
      It seems like the Baltic is the perfect place for them. With all the fjords and archipelagos, there are plenty of places for them to hide.

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      • #4
        Top 10 naval corvettes by speed
        https://www.naval-technology.com/fea...rvettes-speed/

        Corvette search on Janes
        https://www.janes.com/article/search?query=corvette

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          Russian corvette Gremyashchiy to be armed with Tsirkon hypersonic missiles
          https://www.janes.com/article/92408/...sonic-missiles

          First-in-class Gremyashchiy corvette debuts during Russia’s Navy Day
          https://www.janes.com/article/90235/...sia-s-navy-day

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          • #6
            I imagine that China's neighbors have invested in a brown water fleet.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
              It seems like the Baltic is the perfect place for them. With all the fjords and archipelagos, there are plenty of places for them to hide.
              I don't know about that. WWII German destroyers were small. Didn't work out too well for them there.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                I don't know about that. WWII German destroyers were small. Didn't work out too well for them there.
                There weren't all that many naval battles in the Baltic. Sure you're not thinking about the North Sea or the Norwegian campaign?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                  I don't know about that. WWII German destroyers were small. Didn't work out too well for them there.
                  Yeah, the UK blood was up about sinking as much of the Kreigsmarine that they could find.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                    I don't know about that. WWII German destroyers were small. Didn't work out too well for them there.
                    Actually the Z class destroyers Germany built before and during WW 2 were rather large for the time weighing in at between 2200 and 3200 tons. Typical early war British destroyers of the A - H classes ran about 1400 tons, US pre-WW 2 DD ran 1500 tons, while the Fletcher and then Gearing were about 2000 and 3000 tons respectively.

                    German DD's also were given 5.9" gun main armaments-- yes, these proved difficult to use in a seaway but they were much larger guns than on other nation's DD's, the Germans trying to get a sort of light cruiser bonus out of their destroyers...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                      Actually the Z class destroyers Germany built before and during WW 2 were rather large for the time weighing in at between 2200 and 3200 tons. Typical early war British destroyers of the A - H classes ran about 1400 tons, US pre-WW 2 DD ran 1500 tons, while the Fletcher and then Gearing were about 2000 and 3000 tons respectively.

                      German DD's also were given 5.9" gun main armaments-- yes, these proved difficult to use in a seaway but they were much larger guns than on other nation's DD's, the Germans trying to get a sort of light cruiser bonus out of their destroyers...
                      They were as small as these missile gunboats and corvettes of our time.
                      Last edited by Salinator; 16 Jan 20, 16:30.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                        They were as small as these missile gunboats and corvettes or our time.
                        A Boghammer with a fanatical crew loaded with RPG;s is also a "missile boat", and it's very small.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                          I imagine that China's neighbors have invested in a brown water fleet.
                          Singapore is supporting the German economy by purchasing submarines and corvettes from them.

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                          • #14
                            ummm...yes?
                            major navies are equipping their ships with more tools to deal with FAC/FIAC than they did for cold war era designs, but they're still very important for small navies whether they're actual missile boats, rocket boats, or modern torpedo boats. a couple of boats with a dozen MLRS tubes on them and a couple with ASMs will saturate most ships' defenses, combo that with a few small subs, and you do have a valid threat for anyone who would threaten your shores or immediate sealanes.
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                            • #15
                              rather than create a new topic, lets just put this discussion into this one.

                              should taiwan focus their surface budget primarily on smaller craft, corvettes and missile FAC, or should they look into more large combatants like FFGs and DDGs?

                              personally i'm leaning towards a mosquito fleet as it'll be easier for them to hide or be dispersed before any potential chinese assault, and thus easier for them to survive and strike at the invasion force, when compared to a smaller number of larger combatants.
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