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  • Would China be better off selling the Liaoning to Russia?

    Considering how much China is investing in new aircraft carriers with catapults, the capabilities of the Liaoning would restrict it to only going up against much smaller navies. The Shandong is a much improved version and has only just recently been commissioned so the Chinese won't let her go.

    Would it be more prudent to simply sell it Russia?
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  • #2
    Even if the Liaoning is less powerful / effective as the Shandong, it is still a functional deck and contributor to air capabilities. Since the PRC is racing to build up its forces, every little bit helps. Once they achieve sufficient strength, then re-sale might be a consideration. That date is far in the future and the Liaoning may not have much re-sale value at that time. However, I think that they should still keep it because it can be employed in areas where the threat is lower, but still present. Also, it can carry a swarm of ASW helicopters to prosecute enemy submarines.
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      The issue I see though, is that the Liaoning really doesn't appear to be a true blue water aircraft carrier, it's limited in what it can do and would require land based aircraft to compliment it. No long range AWACS or long ranged ASW aircraft , or even logistical aircraft on the carrier. And the J-15s can only launch with limited munitions and dictated by fuel.
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      • #4
        How far do the PRC capabilities need to extend? Does it need to send carrier forces out to Guam? I do not think so. The Liaoning capabilities are limited, but they still better than the former UK ski-jump carriers. They can modestly defend themselves, but cannot stand up to a Sierra-strike from a USN carrier wing. The presence of any land-based aircraft would improve their survival chances, but LBA would also bolster the Shandong.

        The lack of ship-borne AEW is a significant short-coming, but just how far is Liaoning expected to venture from friendly land-based AEW assets? The true advantage of any carrier is that their embarked aircraft are always virtually on-station instantaneously and do not need to travel from distant bases. This makes them valuable. While Liaoning may not be as capable as a USN CV, it can still function well as a convoy escort, sea control ship, or help protect the SSBN bastion. The presence of J-15s mean that no enemy airborne ASW dares to operate in the airspace and her helos can help de-louse submarines.
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        • #5
          Why would the Russians buy back another Soviet era Kutyournutsoff? They already know it is crap and they don't have another tug to escort it, let alone aircraft that can take off with enough fuel or weapons to really impress another one other than some ill equipped jihadi groups.

          Besides, the Chinese are smarter and more realistic than the Russians, and have officially classified it as a training vessel. It is much better than Iran's pretend carrier that is on land.
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          • #6
            The Russians wouldn't gain anything, except a modernised carrier they didn't have to build. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Russians may get China to build a new larger carrier for them some time in the future. They were keen to buy the Mistral class assault ships. They could cut their losses with the Kuznetsov, cannibalise it to use on the Liaoning and wait till China irons out the kinks in their catapult carriers.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
              I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Russians may get China to build a new larger carrier for them some time in the future. They were keen to buy the Mistral class assault ships.
              My thoughts, as well. Hopefully, the Russians will be careful enough to install all vital systems themselves, to avoid any possible Trojan Horses.
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