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    Seems that technology was a contributing factor in the USS McCains collision 2 years ago on Aug 21,2017. According to the following article the "touch screen" throttle control was a contributing factor in the collision and the Navy is going back to "manual" throttle control on destroyers.
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...nical-ones.htm
    Too Much To Do Too Little Time

  • #2
    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
    Seems that technology was a contributing factor in the USS McCains collision 2 years ago on Aug 21,2017. According to the following article the "touch screen" throttle control was a contributing factor in the collision and the Navy is going back to "manual" throttle control on destroyers.
    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...nical-ones.htm
    Indeed there was a report about a week ago that going back to the wheel was an option and therefore presumably the brass voice pipe and " full astern Mr Mac Hinery". Why not reintroduce the steering oar and "Tell tho9se bud*ers on the port side to back water"?
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MarkV View Post

      Indeed there was a report about a week ago that going back to the wheel was an option and therefore presumably the brass voice pipe and " full astern Mr Mac Hinery". Why not reintroduce the steering oar and "Tell tho9se bud*ers on the port side to back water"?
      whatever floats your boat.
      Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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      • #4
        There is such a thing as "too much technology", and obviously insufficient training as well. Any time human beings are in the decision loop there is an excellent chance that something will go wrong.

        A number of aircraft accidents involving brand new, highly computerized passenger jets have been attributed to too much technology for an insufficiently trained crew. In one classic instance, the aircraft computer tried repeatedly to save the aircraft while the pilot continually over-rode its efforts and flew it into the ground because he did not understand what the computer was programmed to do under the circumstances.

        As our world becomes more and more technological, we can expect to see more and more fatal occurrences as technology continues to outstrip the ability of humans to keep up. Imagine what chaos driver-less cars are going to bring to our highways.

        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          In the article it says...
          Investigation revealed that a complex touchscreen system that the sailors had been poorly trained to use contributed to a loss of control of the ship just before it crossed paths with the Liberian oil tanker Alnic MC.
          Why blame the throttle when admitting the sailors were poorly trained?
          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
          Ernest Hemingway.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            ...
            Imagine what chaos driver-less cars are going to bring to our highways.
            Considering how impatient and reckless humans are behind the wheel, driverless cars will be a blessing.
            "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
            Ernest Hemingway.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
              In the article it says...
              Why blame the throttle when admitting the sailors were poorly trained?
              The investigation reveled that both were contributing factors. Technology does not always make task less demanding or better.
              Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post

                Considering how impatient and reckless humans are behind the wheel, driverless cars will be a blessing.
                According to the current literature, etc., the driver remains responsible for emergencies beyond the programming of the vehicle. Considering that the driver will most likely be drinking coffee and texting, the chaos will be overwhelming. Very few people I have met or seen are capable of remaining alert and fully responsive while being chauffered.

                And do we really expect the illegals already among us in their countless and constantly increasing numbers, to be driving expensive, fully automated vehicles?
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
                  In the article it says...
                  Why blame the throttle when admitting the sailors were poorly trained?
                  The technology exceeded the ability of the sailors. That should have been considered from the very beginning.

                  Consider a combat situation where the helmsman is put out of action. Who is going to take over if it takes someone specifically and highly trained just to operate it normally? Anyone can turn a wheel or ring for more power, but to operate a computerized ship?

                  There is such a thing as too much technology, especially in the military.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FTCS View Post

                    The investigation reveled that both were contributing factors. Technology does not always make task less demanding or better.
                    You canít blame an SOP if the crew arenít sufficiently trained to deal with it, and the scenarios they will encounter. Especially if the CO admit that they were in backup mode, thus removing their failsafe alternative.
                    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                    Ernest Hemingway.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                      The technology exceeded the ability of the sailors. That should have been considered from the very beginning.

                      Consider a combat situation where the helmsman is put out of action. Who is going to take over if it takes someone specifically and highly trained just to operate it normally? Anyone can turn a wheel or ring for more power, but to operate a computerized ship?

                      There is such a thing as too much technology, especially in the military.
                      It didnít exceed their abilities, the navy gave them very little training, also the company who designed it didnít follow up with submissions for extra guidance.
                      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                      Ernest Hemingway.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post

                        It didnít exceed their abilities, the navy gave them very little training, also the company who designed it didnít follow up with submissions for extra guidance.
                        Not enough training = not enough ability to operate the ship properly. You say "potato" - I say"French fry"...
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Not enough training = not enough ability to operate the ship properly. You say "potato" - I say"French fry"...
                          The sailors were stressed, tired from lack of sleep and poorly trained to use something that has to be manned 24/7... the ship still might have hit the merchant ship with manual controls in this regard. I don't have an issue with the navy reverting back to hand controls, but the underlying issue remains, the crew were not in their optimum physical condition nor were they trained properly. They more than likely could have hit the same ship while operating a chadburn...
                          "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
                          Ernest Hemingway.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Achtung Baby View Post
                            In the article it says...
                            Why blame the throttle when admitting the sailors were poorly trained?
                            Surely if is to have any value the technology must make the process easier and thus reduce the need for training?
                            "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FTCS View Post
                              Seems that technology was a contributing factor in the USS McCains collision 2 years ago on Aug 21,2017. According to the following article the "touch screen" throttle control was a contributing factor in the collision and the Navy is going back to "manual" throttle control on destroyers.
                              https://www.techtimes.com/articles/2...nical-ones.htm
                              This reminds me of radios in many modern cars, instead of having a knob to lower and increase the volume with, you have to use a touch screen and go thru menus in order to get to the damn volume option.
                              It's the same retarded mindset behind this "touch screen" throttle control, then there's the issue of software bugs etc.

                              The designer should be keelhauled. Oh, whilst we're at it, why not keelhaul the clown who made the decision that sailors should wear those ridiculous looking camouflage uniforms too.

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