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  • The importance in strategic airlifting AFVs and IFVs.

    It seems increasing demands for protection and firepower are making these vehicles too heavy, in the past Australia could fit three ASLAVs in a C-17, but it can now only fit one Boxer AFV once they enter service. IIRC three Bradleys could also fit in a C-17, no doubt any new vehicle be heavier, and well armed... thus limiting how many the C-17 could carry.
    Should there be a weight limit for these AFVs and IFVs in order to allow for a reasonable number to be airlifted at short notice?
    Or is this scenario not important enough to consider? Just give the troops a bigger, better vehicle and worry about prioritising airlifting for other stuff.

    Strategic air-lift is an expensive option for transporting equipment and stores when compared with strategic sea-lift, but is the fastest option for transporting equipment and stores needed urgently in theatre. If the weight of AFVs only allow the C-17 to carry just one, this reduces the effectiveness, and distance of rapid deployment to deal with conflicts at short notice.

    Is there a AFV/IFV that has(in your opinion) the best balance to be rapidly mobilised in respectable numbers by air?

    "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
    Ernest Hemingway.

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    The armored LAV VBL PANHARD in Action !

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    • #4
      Here is what I was pointing out earlier, the size of AFVs highlights the limits of strategic airlift for modern vehicles.

      I can see why rapid sealift is gaining traction, Australia found out during the East Timor crisis how efficient fast sea transport was in comparison to air lifts. Fast catamarans and literal combat ships will play an important role in escalations that require fast response times for AFV deployment.


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      "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason."
      Ernest Hemingway.

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      • #5
        I can't see reading about the crisis where there was any vehicle to vehicle fighting between the ADF and the Indonesian 745 Battalion, trying to find its composition.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indone..._of_East_Timor
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_East_Timorese_crisis
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force

        East Timor

        On 21 September 1999, C Squadron, 2nd Cavalry Regiment deployed 22 ASLAVs into Dili aboard HMAS Tobruk as a part of International Force East Timor, a further seven ASLAVs were later deployed to East Timor as a part of the commitment. The vehicles were used for a variety of tasks including convoy escort, surveillance, reconnaissance, communications, search, vehicle check points and force presence.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASLAV
        Last edited by OttoHarkaman; 09 Apr 20, 23:23.

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        • #6
          Rheinmetall Landsysteme Wiesel (Weasel)
          Lightweight Armored Weapons Carrier / Tankette
          https://www.militaryfactory.com/armo...?armor_id=1039

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          http://www.military-today.com/apc/wiesel_1.htm



          Wiesel 2 project

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiesel_AWC

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          https://www.army-technology.com/projects/wiesel2/

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          • #7
            The Wiesal looks like the British Vickers MkVI Tank. I think I heard one of the gentlemen being interviewed in the above video said "Vickers" at one point but the narrator didn't translate that into his narration.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Tank_Mk_VI
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            • #8
              While its obviously not suited to armored cavalry warfare, I rather like the tankette concept as reenvisioned by the weisel. I think that something in its class would be well suited to issuing to infantry regiments as a support asset, and to things like the 101st and the Corps as they are easily helicopter transported.

              Looking at dimensions, the Weisel 2 is too tall to be effectively used for helicopter air assault. The Weisel 1 is literally perfect, with some wiggle room. I would propose a Weisel variant maybe a tad wider at 80 inches rather than 74, and shorter at no more than 74in rather than the up to 84 that the Weisel 2 can get. That would allow it to easily operate from CH47s and CH53s. So you could put a squad of troops AND a protected and mobile heavy weapon on the same helo.

              If you built one that was rather diminuitive, you could get them on Ospreys. But you'd have to go down to basically 60in x 60in x Length to make that happen efficiently. Probably too narrow for tracked, maybe something wheeled, armored, and equipped with a heavy weapon could be made within those dimensions.
              Last edited by TacCovert4; 11 Apr 20, 09:02.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • #9
                I think the problem with the equipment that was improvised in Iraq and Afghanistan to withstand IEDs is our whole idea of paroling. Driving around patrolling hostile populations is just not the way to go about it. That is where you have to reach out to the community and make it in their best interests not support insurgents and guerillas. Pinpoint strikes on known insurgent locations gathered from intelligence gained from this outreach is where I would go rather than just sending out random patrols to drive around.

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