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    An expected development ...

    A Russian drone hunts other drones with a shotgun
    The terrifying 50-pound drone is controlled by a visor-wearing operator.
    ...
    No, this isn't an April Fool's joke: A Russian defense contractor has patented a drone that uses a shotgun to blast other drones out of the sky. It comes from Almaz Antey, a Russian defense contractor that manufactures the S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile that caused a rift between Turkey and the US. The tail-sitting drone takes off on the spot but flies like an airplane for greater efficiency, giving it a 40-minute range while packing a fully-automatic Vepr-12 shotgun with a 10-round magazine.

    The drone was built by the "Student Design Bureau of Aviation Modeling" at the Moscow Aviation Institute for Almaz Antey. It's of a similar type used by mining companies, farmers and others to survey pipelines and other installations. A visor-wearing operator uses a live video link to fly the drone and aim the weapon, which is tucked into the nose of the aircraft. A shotgun, rather than a rifle or pistol, was selected for the same reason they're used for duck hunting: the wide dispersal pattern makes it easier to hit a target.
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    https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/01/...jM_oSFeeF8193A
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    An expected development ...

    A Russian drone hunts other drones with a shotgun
    The terrifying 50-pound drone is controlled by a visor-wearing operator.
    ...
    No, this isn't an April Fool's joke: A Russian defense contractor has patented a drone that uses a shotgun to blast other drones out of the sky. It comes from Almaz Antey, a Russian defense contractor that manufactures the S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile that caused a rift between Turkey and the US. The tail-sitting drone takes off on the spot but flies like an airplane for greater efficiency, giving it a 40-minute range while packing a fully-automatic Vepr-12 shotgun with a 10-round magazine.

    The drone was built by the "Student Design Bureau of Aviation Modeling" at the Moscow Aviation Institute for Almaz Antey. It's of a similar type used by mining companies, farmers and others to survey pipelines and other installations. A visor-wearing operator uses a live video link to fly the drone and aim the weapon, which is tucked into the nose of the aircraft. A shotgun, rather than a rifle or pistol, was selected for the same reason they're used for duck hunting: the wide dispersal pattern makes it easier to hit a target.
    ....
    https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/01/...jM_oSFeeF8193A
    What is it's purpose? To protect things like civil airports from disruption from cheap commercially available drones or to hit military drones? To be honest it seems to be wrong in both counts. In both cases the biggest problem is locating the incoming drone particularly in murky weather or at night. A visor wearing remote operator is going to have less visibility than a WW1 night fighter pilot (at least they could turn their heads around to scan) and the target is much less visible than a Zeppelin was! If the target drone can be located by ground based equipment then it can be killed by other ground based equipment guided by the former. The development of anti drone "artillery" is almost certainly going on.
    If the intruder drone is military then it is likely to be more powerful and capable of being armoured in which case a basic shotgun isn't going to cut it. The concept of escort drones also comes to mind.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      Perhaps another 'Pandora's Box' of sorts, or 'Shades of Things to Come',; the next paragraph in the link provides some clue;
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      For now it's merely a demonstrator, according to the Russian defense site Dambiev. However, Russia is pretty serious about weapons-packing drones, having already created the "Karnivora" drone equipped with nets to take out other UAVs. A "shock" version can reportedly carry high-explosive fragmentation grenades and anti-tank bombs -- nightmare fuel, indeed.
      ...
      https://www.engadget.com/2019/04/01/...jM_oSFeeF8193A

      Another layer in the CUAV - UAV trend ...
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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      • #4
        Many years ago there was a novel (now I think out of print so I spoil little) titled Tree Frog. Tree Frog was the code name for an amazing British drone that was low cost (so one could build a lot of them) but had amazing capabilities in terms of range, undetectability, controllability at extreme range etc. The hero thinks he is tasked with protecting its secrets, it's main secret is that it can do none of these things - it's all faked and its sole purpose is to bluff the Warsaw Pact into diverting large amounts of resource into developing and deploying defences against it.
        One wonders if these Russian drones might be Tree Frogs
        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MarkV View Post

          What is it's purpose? To protect things like civil airports from disruption from cheap commercially available drones or to hit military drones? To be honest it seems to be wrong in both counts. In both cases the biggest problem is locating the incoming drone particularly in murky weather or at night. A visor wearing remote operator is going to have less visibility than a WW1 night fighter pilot (at least they could turn their heads around to scan) and the target is much less visible than a Zeppelin was! If the target drone can be located by ground based equipment then it can be killed by other ground based equipment guided by the former. The development of anti drone "artillery" is almost certainly going on.
          Yes, but cost may be an issue. In the near future, every civil airport may have its operations disrupted by an extremely cheap multi-rotor drone, which can't be ignored because it can be sucked into jet engines, or it could be a terrorist's small flying IED. You say, let's deploy a SAM battery at each and every airport. Maybe these guys are saying, our thing is little more than a large aero model carrying a simple gun - thus cheaper.
          Yes, the target drone can be located by ground-based assets, even at night and in bad weather - a civil airport has its radar, of course. The radar operator can probably guide the drone operator towards the target, at night. Once they are close, the drone operator may just turn on the drone's lights. Or maybe the first round in the magazine is a flare.
          Michele

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Michele View Post

            Yes, but cost may be an issue. In the near future, every civil airport may have its operations disrupted by an extremely cheap multi-rotor drone, which can't be ignored because it can be sucked into jet engines, or it could be a terrorist's small flying IED. You say, let's deploy a SAM battery at each and every airport. Maybe these guys are saying, our thing is little more than a large aero model carrying a simple gun - thus cheaper.
            Yes, the target drone can be located by ground-based assets, even at night and in bad weather - a civil airport has its radar, of course. The radar operator can probably guide the drone operator towards the target, at night. Once they are close, the drone operator may just turn on the drone's lights. Or maybe the first round in the magazine is a flare.
            A cheap nearly all plastic small drone will be invisible to normal radar but, as we saw at Gatwick and Heathrow can cause a major air port to halt flights and cause major disruption
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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