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    Popular Mechanics has an article announcing the purchase of 80 new F-15X's over the next five years. These will be one seat and two seat models. The article states the F-35 will be cut back. This new model will carry up to 12 anti-aircraft missiles. The picture of the F-15 included reminds me of a Strike Eagle. Could this mean the F-35 Program is in trouble? The Air Force needs new aircraft to replace some older models. The newest F-15 is 30 years old.

    The Air Force has already admitted the F-22 Production Line can't be restarted.

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    Are they going to replace the F-15c’s in Japan and Europe or are they for the Air National Guard F-15 units?

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    • #3
      The article did not say where they were going, just that they were in the budget for the next five years. I would expect them to replace Hangar Queens.

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      • #4
        Sounds like a case where the F-35 may be too much of a price tag with a bit of high maintenance and limited capabilities thrown in.
        Likely a case of getting more plane and planes for the same amount of $$$.
        Not sure this indicates the F-35 program in trouble as much as getting a better deal on limited funds.
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        • #5
          The U.S. Air Force Is Buying New F-15s After All
          The F-15X will complement the F-22 and F-35 in tomorrow's aerial battlefields.
          https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...ying-new-f-15/

          Boeing's F-15EX: We Have the Air Force's Master Plan for This New Warplane

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          The flying branch is proposing to buy eight F-15EXs in 2020 and 18 each in the years 2021 to 2024, for a total of 80 new Eagles over the next five years, according to Air Force budget documents.
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          The flying branch is proposing to buy eight F-15EXs in 2020 and 18 each in the years 2021 to 2024, for a total of 80 new Eagles over the next five years, according to Air Force budget documents .

          In the years after 2024, the Air Force has proposed to purchase another 64 F-15EXs for a total fleet of 144 of the upgraded, twin-engine fighters. The new planes in total would cost $7.8 billion.

          The likely result, by the mid-2020s, would be a mixed fleet of old and new Eagles. As of early 2019 the Air Force operated 217 F-15E Strike Eagles for air-to-ground missions and 240 F-15Cs and Ds for air-to-air missions and training.

          Nine squadrons fly the F-15C and D -- three in the active force and six in the Air National Guard. Another nine units, all but one of which are in the active force, operate the F-15E.
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          Many of the F-15Cs, however, suffer from structural fatigue that limits their top speed. "Many F-15C/Ds are beyond their service life and have serious structures risks, wire chafing issues and obsolete parts," the Air Force stated. "Readiness goals are unachievable due to continuous structural inspections, time-consuming repairs and ongoing modernization efforts."

          The F-15C and Ds "won't make it to 2030," Air Force major general David Krumm, the service's director of strategic plans and requirements, told Air Force magazine reporters John Tirpak and Brian Everstine.

          The Air Force plans to swap out old Eagles for new ones in squadrons that already fly F-15s, thus minimizing disruption to operations. Replacing the oldest and more tired F-15Cs and Ds for combat missions could allow the healthier old Eagles to continue flying in the training role.

          Converting from the F-15C/D to the F-15EX would require 18 months, Krumm said, compared to up to three years for a squadron to convert to new F-35 stealth fighters.
          ...
          The Air Force also is considering arming the new F-15EXs with a hypersonic missile, potentially making the Eagle force the branch's first units to perform a new kind of specialist strike mission. Hypersonic missiles likely would be too big to fit inside the F-35's weapons bay.

          There's precedent for transforming an old fighter design into a new, hypersonic striker. The Russian air force in 2018 organized a small contingent of modified MiG-31 interceptors and armed them with fast, long-range air-to-surface rockets for a niche strike role.
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          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...warplane-48182

          The Air Force Wants 80 'New' F-15X Fighters. What About the F-35?
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          The planned purchase of the new variant of the 45-year-old fourth-generation fighter comes amid the Air Force's continued pursuit of the more advanced fifth-generation F-35, an airframe that remains plagued by reliability issues, including F-35B service life well below projections and "unacceptable" accuracy issues in the F-35A's weapons systems.

          But this split attention is creating tension between the Air Force and lawmakers in Congress tasked with paying for the aircraft, On Tuesday, A group of Republican senators sent a letter to President Donald Trump warning that an F-15 purchase would siphon resources away from — and, in turn, undermine — the F-35 program at the cost of national security.
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          https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...out-f-35-45152
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          • #6
            The F-15s, especially newly built ones, as still vastly superior to just about every other country's fighters. And they still will be in 2030. Makes sense to me.
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            • #7
              Sounds like a 'bridge' purchase to keep the USAF flying while the overall conversion takes place.

              80 planes really isn't that many, and the price over five years isn't that large.

              The F-15 received the same negative predictions (too expensive, too complex, underachiever) when it first came out. I expect the F-35 will mature into another excellent platform, but it takes time.

              Meanwhile these F-15Xs will certainly be an asset.

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              • #8
                The new F-15's should be superior in performance to the C and D models they replace. The X variant will carry up to 12 air to air missiles. Only a couple of years ago the AF was claiming the F-16 and F-15 needed immediate replacement because they had reached the end of their service life. When Congress disagreed with this the AF then admitted the two Fighters COULD be used longer... Instead of buying more F-22's and F-35's the AF wanted, Congress offered to buy more modern marks of the F-15 and F-16. The AF declined the offer. Maybe we will see new F-16's next?


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                • #9
                  I heard these new F-15 will have increased missile loadout. I hope the F-15X will still retain the 20mm gun.

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                  • #10
                    We had reservations about the F-35 ever being fully operational and reliable since this forum was born!
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                    • #11
                      It appears these are for National Guard units.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                        It appears these are for National Guard units.
                        I thought I read these would be E replacements, but that does not mean you are wrong (and I could very well be).

                        OTOH, the real reason is that the acting SecDef is an ex Boeing official, and so is steering contracts that way, or so be the charge.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                          I thought I read these would be E replacements, but that does not mean you are wrong (and I could very well be).

                          OTOH, the real reason is that the acting SecDef is an ex Boeing official, and so is steering contracts that way, or so be the charge.

                          Tuebor
                          These F-15s are an excellent aircraft, able to hold their own for the next twenty years, so even if he's favoring Boeing he isn't hurting the USA in the process.

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                          • #14
                            I have the feeling that many of these new builds will find themselves in the Regular Air Force after being swapped by older F-15's in the Regular Squadrons. They have done this before. Has anyone seen an article claiming different?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                              I have the feeling that many of these new builds will find themselves in the Regular Air Force after being swapped by older F-15's in the Regular Squadrons. They have done this before. Has anyone seen an article claiming different?

                              Pruitt
                              The Guard always gets the short end of the stick.

                              But it doesn't matter who flies them, those are great planes. And as a general rule, what the Guards gets is usually better than what they had.

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