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    Hi guys,

    I just found out about this new rifle for the British armed forces. Looks like a very nice job to me. Wouldn't mind having a shot of one, if I got the chance. On a rifle range, of course. (Plywood targets don't shoot back )



    Quote:
    "UK's first new infantry combat rifle to be issued to troops for more than 20 years has arrived in Afghanistan and is being used by Royal Marines from 40 Commando.

    The Sharpshooter rifle fires a 7.62mm round and enhances accuracy of engagement during longer-range firefights.

    The Sharpshooter's considerable range takes it into the realm of sniper territory, but it requires far less training, being more similar to the standard service rifle than the highly-specialised weapons used by those in the sniper profession:

    A Royal Marine Sergeant of 40 Commando said: "I have fired over 1,000 rounds on the rifle in training; accurately hitting targets over 800 metres away. The new Sharpshooter rifle provides quick and accurate fire, with the flexibility of using it in the assault rifle role as well. It's hoofing."

    More than 400 of the semi-automatic L129A1 Sharpshooter rifles have been bought as an Urgent Operational Requirement."
    "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
    Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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    Originally posted by Panther3485 View Post
    Hi guys,

    I just found out about this new rifle for the British armed forces. Looks like a very nice job to me. Wouldn't mind having a shot of one, if I got the chance. On a rifle range, of course. (Plywood targets don't shoot back )



    Quote:
    "UK's first new infantry combat rifle to be issued to troops for more than 20 years has arrived in Afghanistan and is being used by Royal Marines from 40 Commando.

    The Sharpshooter rifle fires a 7.62mm round and enhances accuracy of engagement during longer-range firefights.

    The Sharpshooter's considerable range takes it into the realm of sniper territory, but it requires far less training, being more similar to the standard service rifle than the highly-specialised weapons used by those in the sniper profession:

    A Royal Marine Sergeant of 40 Commando said: "I have fired over 1,000 rounds on the rifle in training; accurately hitting targets over 800 metres away. The new Sharpshooter rifle provides quick and accurate fire, with the flexibility of using it in the assault rifle role as well. It's hoofing."

    More than 400 of the semi-automatic L129A1 Sharpshooter rifles have been bought as an Urgent Operational Requirement."
    Good one Panther, makes the old Lee Enfield look a bit pathetic doesn't it!
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    I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
      Good one Panther, makes the old Lee Enfield look a bit pathetic doesn't it!
      Yeah maybe, but I reckon the .303 Lee Enfield was one of the best rifles in the World, in its day. Bit before my time of service, though.

      The rifle most familiar to me in the Australian Army, in the 1970's, was the L1A1 (or SLR, 'Self Loading Rifle'); firing 7.62mm NATO Rimless rounds, usually in a 20-round magazine. It was based on the Belgian FN FAL, I believe. Occasionally, we used the American M-16, which was much lighter and fired a smaller round.

      Times certainly change, and the weapons with them, but in the end they all do much the same thing I guess.
      "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
      Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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      • #4
        Hi, Panther.
        Looks like a useful weapon, and there is something of a trend for similar kinds of guns to fill what the U.S. sometimes refers to as a designated marksman or "DM" role based on combat experiences. The basic purpose in U.S. inventory is to extend the range of the infantry squad, similar to how the Soviets used their SVD's. (Although ironically SVD's are often termed as "sniper" rifles, in fact the U.S. DM guns are almost always more accurate and suited for the role) There a tricked out M14 designs which attempt to fill this role as well. It looks like this weapon is supposed to be rather more multipurpose than that since there appears to be a CQB function as well with shorter barreled models.

        In the configuration the Royal Marine in the photo is using it, the L129 certainly would not fit the sniper role, even though it is probably very accurate, but it definitely fills a useful niche' and looks like a very pratical tool to have on hand. Armalite (I use one of theirs at work), DPMS, and Rock River Arms, to name a few are making similar designs here in the states and they are enjoying considerable popularity. Personally I think it was a very good decision to adopt them and I'm sure the boys will find plenty of work for them.

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        • #5
          Yes. From what I can see in the photo, the weapon appears to straddle a sort of middle ground between the full rifle and the assault rifle roles. I think it would be an excellent all-rounder.
          "Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today!"
          Vice Admiral Beatty to Flag Captain Chatfield; Battle of Jutland, 31 May - 1 June, 1916.

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          • #6
            Once the Mini-Me Arrived the Army used the L86 as the DMR. This proved the concept, and I think it may well be reproduced by this weapon. Now Is it going to replace the L-86 or supplement it.

            At the moment a fire-team has an NCO with a L85 and UGL, a Grunt with an L85 and a LAW, a Mini-Me, and the L86 as a DMR.
            Of course as this is the Commando's they have slightly weird arrangements (Booties just want to be different).
            Winnie says
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            "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

            It was an Accident."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
              Good one Panther, makes the old Lee Enfield look a bit pathetic doesn't it!
              You are quite right that an old Lee would look pretty pathetic by comparison up close -- but the Lee and her .303 round still looks pretty good at, say, 600-800 meters!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jon Jordan View Post
                You are quite right that an old Lee would look pretty pathetic by comparison up close -- but the Lee and her .303 round still looks pretty good at, say, 600-800 meters!
                A 5.56 is still going to hurt at that range too...

                **runs and hides from the impending ballistics bun fight, which is about as old as the fire arm**
                Winnie says
                ---------------------------------
                "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                It was an Accident."
                Herr Flick.

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                • #9
                  This weapon is chambered in 7.62x51. Every bit in the same class as .303.

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                  • #10
                    I don't think it's fair to compare the SMLE to any modern weapon.And despite all the progress,the SMLE remains one of the finest weapons ever fielded by an army and it's still serving users well around the world.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lcm1 View Post
                      Good one Panther, makes the old Lee Enfield look a bit pathetic doesn't it!


                      Lcm1...Yeh!..but the old Lee and its variant,s conquered for an Empire and fought two World Wars, not forgetting Korea and SEA plus not forgetting the old gaffers still humping then in the "Stan"...
                      Last edited by Bow; 24 Jun 10, 13:52.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bow View Post
                        [...] plus not forgetting the old gaffers still humping then in the "Stan"...
                        I did read somewhere that the Afghani tribesmen facing the Soviet invasion did better with the Lee Enfield's than they did with the AK47's.
                        Winnie says
                        ---------------------------------
                        "He fell out of a Gestapo car, over a bridge, and onto a railway line. Then was run over by the Berlin Express.

                        It was an Accident."
                        Herr Flick.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Listy View Post
                          I did read somewhere that the Afghani tribesmen facing the Soviet invasion did better with the Lee Enfield's than they did with the AK47's.
                          The right tool for the right job. Shooting hill to hill over a long way the Enfield is a much better choice than the AK.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Panther3485 View Post
                            Hi guys,

                            I just found out about this new rifle for the British armed forces. Looks like a very nice job to me. Wouldn't mind having a shot of one, if I got the chance. On a rifle range, of course. (Plywood targets don't shoot back )



                            Quote:
                            "UK's first new infantry combat rifle to be issued to troops for more than 20 years has arrived in Afghanistan and is being used by Royal Marines from 40 Commando.

                            The Sharpshooter rifle fires a 7.62mm round and enhances accuracy of engagement during longer-range firefights.

                            The Sharpshooter's considerable range takes it into the realm of sniper territory, but it requires far less training, being more similar to the standard service rifle than the highly-specialised weapons used by those in the sniper profession:

                            A Royal Marine Sergeant of 40 Commando said: "I have fired over 1,000 rounds on the rifle in training; accurately hitting targets over 800 metres away. The new Sharpshooter rifle provides quick and accurate fire, with the flexibility of using it in the assault rifle role as well. It's hoofing."

                            More than 400 of the semi-automatic L129A1 Sharpshooter rifles have been bought as an Urgent Operational Requirement."
                            How do you put on the bayonet?
                            "Profanity is but a linguistic crutch for illiterate motherbleepers"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Listy View Post
                              Once the Mini-Me Arrived the Army used the L86 as the DMR. This proved the concept, and I think it may well be reproduced by this weapon. Now Is it going to replace the L-86 or supplement it.

                              At the moment a fire-team has an NCO with a L85 and UGL, a Grunt with an L85 and a LAW, a Mini-Me, and the L86 as a DMR.
                              Of course as this is the Commando's they have slightly weird arrangements (Booties just want to be different).
                              How dare yousir!! Ofcourse I could be a smart ass and say 'Well we are differant' but as you all know I am not that sort of person. (A 'hold back' retiring type!)
                              'By Horse by Tram'.


                              I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
                              " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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