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    Did the Russians put any other gun in this oversized turret other than the 152mm? I heard there may of been another assult gun mounted it it.

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    Thanks in advance
    Obermasterfuher
    Last edited by Obermasterfuher; 20 Mar 10, 13:25.
    The potentcy of the 88 was that it was present, in reasonable numbers, when it was needed, They had them. We did not.
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    Yes

    The put a rocket launcher in it, the put a stolen Flak 88 in it, and they installed a 75mm sherman gun just for grions
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Desert Fox 42 View Post
      The put a rocket launcher in it, the put a stolen Flak 88 in it, and they installed a 75mm sherman gun just for grions
      Any references? Where can I find this info?
      The potentcy of the 88 was that it was present, in reasonable numbers, when it was needed, They had them. We did not.
      Ian Hogg

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Obermasterfuher View Post
        Did the Russians put any other gun in this oversized turret other than the 152mm? I heard there may of been another assult gun mounted it it.

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        Thanks in advance
        Obermasterfuher
        Never heard of it and as there were only 255 KV-2's ever made I doubt anybody cared about refitting the turret for anything but the 152 howitzer. Especially when there were plenty of KV-1's to experiment with.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by ShAA View Post
          Never heard of it and as there were only 255 KV-2's ever made I doubt anybody cared about refitting the turret for anything but the 152 howitzer. Especially when there were plenty of KV-1's to experiment with.
          Apparently, there was a plan to mount the new F-39 107mm tank gun on the KV series. Trials were conducted with this gun mounted in the turret of a KV-2. The project was dropped when estimates of the thickness of German tank armour were found to be wildly exaggerated.


          Page 14, 'KV-1 & 2 Heavy Tanks 1941-1945', Steven Zaloga, Jim Kinnear & Peter Sarson, Osprey, 1995
          Last edited by panther3485; 21 Mar 10, 10:34.
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          • #6
            I am not aware of any armament other than the 152mm howitzer for the KV large turret - subsequently known as the KV-2. However, the type of 152mm howitzer did change. The original design called for a 152mm howitzer M1909/30. This was changed in favour of the 152mm M1938. When serial production began on the KV-2, a new turret design was introduced, along with a new armament - the 152mm M-10S. Panther is right that there were plans to install a 107mm gun in the KV-2 and a prototype was built - but that was all.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Panther3485 View Post
              Apparently, there was a plan to mount the new F-39 107mm tank gun on the KV series. Trials were conducted with this gun mounted in the turret of a KV-2. The project was dropped when estimates of the thickness of German tank armour were found to be wildly exaggerated.


              Page 14, 'KV-1 & 2 Heavy Tanks 1941-1945', Steven Zaloga, Jim Kinnear & Peter Sarson, Osprey, 1995
              I'm a bit confused here - I've just googled it and found references to Ф-39 which is a 85mm tank gun - and some sources say it's a 95mm(?) gun.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by skoblin View Post
                I am not aware of any armament other than the 152mm howitzer for the KV large turret - subsequently known as the KV-2. However, the type of 152mm howitzer did change. The original design called for a 152mm howitzer M1909/30. This was changed in favour of the 152mm M1938. When serial production began on the KV-2, a new turret design was introduced, along with a new armament - the 152mm M-10S. Panther is right that there were plans to install a 107mm gun in the KV-2 and a prototype was built - but that was all.
                Thanks. Thats likely what I heard about. Another model of the same gun is the most plausable explanation for what I heard.
                I play A&A miniatures and the second gun theory came up in a discussion. Thanks again
                The potentcy of the 88 was that it was present, in reasonable numbers, when it was needed, They had them. We did not.
                Ian Hogg

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                  I'm a bit confused here - I've just googled it and found references to Ф-39 which is a 85mm tank gun - and some sources say it's a 95mm(?) gun.
                  Here is the only picture I have seen of the KV-2 107mm version. As for the gun itself, it is described some places as a naval gun, in other places as a tank gun or an anti-tank gun.

                  Last edited by Skoblin; 21 Mar 10, 15:10.

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                  • #10
                    [QUOTE=skoblin;1446381]Here is the only picture I have seen of the KV-2 107mm version. As for the gun itself, it is described some places as a naval gun, in other places as a tank gun or an anti-tank gun.

                    Several Soviet naval guns became adopted as "anti-tank" guns, including the S-34 naval gun that later reappeared in the SU-100 tank destroyer and the T-54/55 main battle tank. Therefore, your gun could have been both a naval weapon and a tank weapon.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                      Several Soviet naval guns became adopted as "anti-tank" guns, including the S-34 naval gun that later reappeared in the SU-100 tank destroyer and the T-54/55 main battle tank. Therefore, your gun could have been both a naval weapon and a tank weapon.
                      That's very true, MZ, and I have been trying to find out more information on this gun but without success. Interestingly enough, the first Soviet built tanks - copies of the French Renault FT-17 - had reworked Hotchkiss 37mm guns obtained from the old Russian Imperial navy.

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