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  • Pentagon Reports Document Continuing Lockheed-Martin Failures

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    http://www.cdi.org/program/document....e=../index.cfm

  • #2
    Well, it's not too unusual for initial production a/c to go through these kind of problems. Pretty much every high performance plane made in the '50s, '60s and '70s suffered through these kinds of birthing pains. Some of them were great planes but never made much of a impact beyond their initial deployments.

    Look at the B-58 Hustler; awesome performance, looks, etc. but really had a lot of problems and really never made it to a B model. It was expensive to build, maintain and fix and really a pain in the ass for a lot of people but you still hear about it because it did have some really good days. In design in the early '50s, finally made production status in 1960, (after losing something like 7 test models!), and out of service by 1970. Yet, there was for a long time a constant whining coming out of Texas to restart the Hustler program. I think even in the late '80s, early '90s there was some Texas politician hacking for GD trying to get the Hustler back on line. Just really silly.

    The thing is that with the exposure these programs get nowadays, it's just not possible to have a loser program, you have to succeed at every single thing. You're just not allowed to fail; consequently, aircraft that shouldn't have been allowed to be built are put into existence. Plus, I don't think that it's right that we have aircraft that are forced to have so many missions. We just haven't learned from past mistakes, not even our own but other nations as well.

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    • #3
      More cheery news: Budget Wars Spell Grim Future For F-22 and F-35 Planes


      http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/4348108.html


      Thanks.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by boomer400 View Post

        The thing is that with the exposure these programs get nowadays, it's just not possible to have a loser program, you have to succeed at every single thing. You're just not allowed to fail; consequently, aircraft that shouldn't have been allowed to be built are put into existence.
        & if a aircraft is a failure there are not many alternatives. Its not 1940 where the War Dept can expect proposals from nine different manufactors for a single set of aircraft specs. Or purchase redundant models. How many fighter aircraft models were in production in 1942 from how many manufactors?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by boomer400 View Post

          The thing is that with the exposure these programs get nowadays, it's just not possible to have a loser program, you have to succeed at every single thing. You're just not allowed to fail; consequently, aircraft that shouldn't have been allowed to be built are put into existence. Plus, I don't think that it's right that we have aircraft that are forced to have so many missions. We just haven't learned from past mistakes, not even our own but other nations as well.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-12_Avenger_II
          "It's like shooting rats in a barrel."
          "You'll be in a barrel if you don't watch out for the fighters!"

          "Talking about airplanes is a very pleasant mental disease."
          Sergei(son of Igor) Sikorsky, 'AOPA Pilot' magazine February 2003.

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          • #6
            And did we learn from that mess? F-35, here we come!

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