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  • Russia's new Avangard missile is a nuke-ready hypersonic glide weapon.

    This doesn't sound right, something hypersonic and capable of making sharp turns are two thing that don't go together.

    Russia has unveiled what it says is a new nuclear-capable, intercontinental weapon that can fly at 27 times the speed of sound.

    President Vladimir Putin has described the Avangard hypersonic glide vehicle as a technological breakthrough comparable to the 1957 Soviet launch of the first space satellite.

    It is launched atop an intercontinental ballistic missile, but, unlike a regular missile warhead that follows a predictable path after separation, Russia claims it can make sharp manoeuvrers in the atmosphere en route to target, making it much harder to intercept.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-...nched/11830098
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    Many times, when a country brags too much about a new, state of the art weapon, they are bluffing just a little bit. Russia seems to be good with designing technology and much less able to put that technology into production.

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    • #3
      However, they did develop the super-cavitating, high-speed torpedo - the Skval. Even though the torpedo has some serious flaws, the technology is advanced.

      They mostly, however, remind me of the Nazis and their endless claims of new super weapons that would win the war.
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      • #4
        I'll wait until the Russians can build a real aircraft carrier that can work without a tug escort AND a build a plane that actually can work off that carrier with BOTH fuel and ordinance that actually would make a meaningful sortie WITH a wingman similarly kitted.

        Other than the US, has Russia or any other nation successfully and delivered, and detonated or activated a nuke over it's intended target? I mean other than Chernobyl as claimed by some Ukrainians

        EDIT: I meant the nuke in an hostile action.
        Last edited by Salinator; 29 Dec 19, 13:57.
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        • #5
          I wouldn't rule out the Russians out as a technical innovator, its when it gets to the production line things go wonky. Perhaps its the vodka for breakfast...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
            I'll wait until the Russians can build a real aircraft carrier that can work without a tug escort AND a build a plane that actually can work off that carrier with BOTH fuel and ordinance that actually would make a meaningful sortie WITH a wingman similarly kitted.

            Other than the US, has Russia or any other nation successfully and delivered, and detonated or activated a nuke over it's intended target? I mean other than Chernobyl as claimed by some Ukrainians.
            The Russians did many times during the nuclear testing years, including the Czar Bomba, the 100 megaton monster they air dropped. (dialed back to 50+) Chinese have done the same, IIRC, although probably underground. French carried out extensive above ground nuclear weapons tests during the Cold War out in French Polynesia.



            Just because the Russains can;t make new technology work properly doesn't mean someone else can't. And don;t forget the Caspian Sean Monster - the Ekranoplan WIG heavy lifter that did operate successfully and did what it it was designed to do. We've never built one.



            BTW, we should probably remember that they still have a space program and we don't. We buy seats from them now.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              The Russians did many times during the nuclear testing years, including the Czar Bomba, the 100 megaton monster they air dropped. (dialed back to 50+) Chinese have done the same, IIRC, although probably underground. French carried out extensive above ground nuclear weapons tests during the Cold War out in French Polynesia.



              Just because the Russains can;t make new technology work properly doesn't mean someone else can't. And don;t forget the Caspian Sean Monster - the Ekranoplan WIG heavy lifter that did operate successfully and did what it it was designed to do. We've never built one.



              BTW, we should probably remember that they still have a space program and we don't. We buy seats from them now.
              Sorry, I wasn't clear enough, My nuke question was meant to be as IN ANGER, thus the joke about Chernobyl, My jab is meant to insinuate that we're not even entirely sure they can hit an enemy accurately with any nuke, let alone this new contraption they are bragging about.

              Remember a couple years ago, when their new super MBT they were showing off at the May Day Parade broke down?
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              • #8
                Another recent Russian bragging claim is that they are putting long range cruise missiles on corvette-sized ships. That is all true but they leave out the "why". It's because they were getting all their gas turbines for larger warships from the Ukraine and we all know how that turned out. They are developing their own larger gas turbines now, but who knows when they will be in series production.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Salinator View Post

                  Sorry, I wasn't clear enough, My nuke question was meant to be as IN ANGER, thus the joke about Chernobyl, My jab is meant to insinuate that we're not even entirely sure they can hit an enemy accurately with any nuke, let alone this new contraption they are bragging about.

                  Remember a couple years ago, when their new super MBT they were showing off at the May Day Parade broke down?
                  Yeah...that was a Kodak moment.
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                  • #10
                    The Russians are capable of inventing, what they are generally lacking is in culture, infrastructure and money.

                    This is what happens in a communist system and with a leadership that over the centuries have killed its own people, including taking the the intelligent ones out of the gene pool.

                    The two world wars didn't help matters much either of course, this also holds true for other European nations such as Germany and England.

                    To slaughter the flower of your male population on the battlefields (and on an industrial scale, we're not talking old-school small skirmishes here) have consequences.

                    ...and yes, those will be felt for decades, even centuries to come.
                    Last edited by walle; 30 Dec 19, 12:03.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by walle View Post
                      The Russians are capable of inventing, what they are generally lacking is in culture, infrastructure and money.

                      This is what happens in a communist system and with a leadership that over the centuries have killed its own people, including taking the the intelligent ones out of the gene pool.

                      The two world wars didn't help matters much either of course, this also holds true for other European nations such as Germany and England.

                      To slaughter the flower of your male population on the battlefields (and on an industrial scale, we're not talking old-school small skirmishes here) have consequences.

                      ...and yes, those will be felt for decades, even centuries to come.
                      Wars and communism has squat to do with being a braggart nation. They may be communists in name only at best, and war and decimation of a nation's population is commonplace throughout history. If anything, Russia in all her historical morphs had a relative peaceful history in terms of warfare.

                      They(as in the leaders that project policy) brag and exaggerate claims because of a built-in inferiority complex due to no longer being even second fiddle to anything visible to the rest of the world other than in nuclear warhead count. So every chance they get, they want to squeeze in a reminder that they still have a lot of nukes.

                      Problem is that the world is starting to distrust the idea of great military might. Former great navy rusting away without funds to mothball properly or to scrap. Rusting graveyards of what was once the biggest armored formations the world had ever seen. Their men drinking themselves to a stupor everywhere in public mourning the days of past glory.

                      Constant fear of being surrounded by enemies. Those that they once held unwillingly in their Warsaw Pact have cast aside the doctrines and weapons forced upon them facing the West have now rearmed with the weapons of their enemy pointed at them.

                      China, their once cold ally has now risen to challenge to US and Europe. A country that once relied on them for arms to face the West now has shown them they without arms had the power to wage economic war, something that the Russians and Soviets were never capable of doing.

                      When all Russia can do is rattle her sword begrudgingly hold naval exercise with China and Iran, that is Russia being desperate. Maybe the Chinese can provide enough tugs for the Russian navy to sortie.
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                      • #12
                        They put their agent in White House. Nobody achieved that before.
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