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  • Poor man's tank destroyer

    This strange American vehicle from WWII appears to have been designed to defend against tank and aircraft simultaneously.


    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

  • #2
    How long can you hang from a .50 cal while firing it?
    If you can't set a good example, be a glaring warning.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by freightshaker View Post
      How long can you hang from a .50 cal while firing it?
      They say a grimly determined soldiers can do anything.

      This funny vehicle is a reminder of the state of US armored forces in early WWII. When WWII broke out USA had fewer light tanks than Poland and no medium or heavy tanks. Also, it did not have any anti tank guns. The 37mm gun did not appear until 1940. If it weren't for the automobile industry converting to tank and artillery production within the space of months D-Day and other US accomplishments would have been impossible.
      Last edited by MonsterZero; 02 Nov 07, 21:28.

      "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
      --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
        This strange American vehicle from WWII appears to have been designed to defend against tank and aircraft simultaneously.

        I can safely attest that that was not one of the successful models that was adopted by the Army or Marine Corps. The Half-track with a 75mm gun was used in the Philippines and in the early days of the war, by both the Army and Marine Corps, but it too was found wanting.
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        • #5
          How long can you hang from a .50 cal while firing it?
          Well... as long as you have to, I reckon.

          THat looks like a GMC weapons carrier with a 37mm ATgun, each mechanized Infantry Company was supposed to have one under the 1942 TO&E.
          It was not very popular, and didn't last very long. That screwball mount for the 50.cal had to be a field improvisation. The only reason I can see for putting it there would be to keep it out of the way of the cannon crew.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
            This strange American vehicle from WWII appears to have been designed to defend against tank and aircraft simultaneously.

            More "Propaganda" pictures from the US Army Signal Corps.

            The War Department had to get the "kids" to enjoy the "neat" looking toys they were to use to fight the dreaded "Hun" and them "narrow-eyed Japs".
            Kevin Kenneally
            Masters from a school of "hard knocks"
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            • #7
              The 37mm gun on the truck was a offcial 'interm' tank destroyer. Lashed togeher in the earliest days of the Tank Destroyer Corps or Branch it was all that could be cobbled together in a few months. Each TD battalion of 1941-42 was to be equpped with these until the halftrack version with the 75mm gun replaced it. Eventually the M10 (which was also considered a interm design) was to replace both. Two TD battalions were loaded for North Africa in 1942 for Torch and each had a company of these with two companys of the 75mm gun. The battalion commanders deployed them with caution and they did little more than support some infantry fights from a safe position. However one of the TD battalions did knock some Italians out of a villiage without infantry support and the 37mm were present. By Febuary the M10 replacements were arriving and the 37mm rigs went back to the army level depot for salvage. The guns went onto conventional carriages and used as maintiance replacements for the 37mm AT guns in the infantry regiment AT companys, and the trucks went into the replacement pool as well.

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              • #8
                If you look very closely you will see that the M2 dosent even have any ammo!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                  If you look very closely you will see that the M2 dosent even have any ammo!
                  He has a single round in the chamber because he's a sniper.

                  "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                  --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                    He has a single round in the chamber because he's a sniper.
                    Good one!

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                    • #11
                      Here's a German version...

                      3.7cm PaK 35/36 auf Krupp Protze
                      Krupp L 2 H 143




                      You wouldn't want to be firing on the move if you are the driver...
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                      Last edited by Pirate-Drakk; 15 Nov 07, 20:28.
                      Battles are dangerous affairs... Wang Hsi

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Carl Schwamberg View Post
                        The 37mm gun on the truck was a offcial 'interm' tank destroyer. Lashed togeher in the earliest days of the Tank Destroyer Corps or Branch it was all that could be cobbled together in a few months. Each TD battalion of 1941-42 was to be equpped with these until the halftrack version with the 75mm gun replaced it. Eventually the M10 (which was also considered a interm design) was to replace both. Two TD battalions were loaded for North Africa in 1942 for Torch and each had a company of these with two companys of the 75mm gun. The battalion commanders deployed them with caution and they did little more than support some infantry fights from a safe position. However one of the TD battalions did knock some Italians out of a villiage without infantry support and the 37mm were present. By Febuary the M10 replacements were arriving and the 37mm rigs went back to the army level depot for salvage. The guns went onto conventional carriages and used as maintiance replacements for the 37mm AT guns in the infantry regiment AT companys, and the trucks went into the replacement pool as well.
                        Lloyd Fredendall, in one of his few perceptive remarks, said, "The only way to hurt a Kraut with a 37mm is to catch him and give him an enema with it." I still don't know why the US didn't try to reverse-engineer the 88mm AT.
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                        • #13
                          Portee

                          The brits used a similar device in the western desert for the 2pdr and 6pdr AT
                          guns usually refered to as a Portee.The British 3.7 AA gun could easily have been used in the same manner as the 88 but for some reason the idea was never taken up.

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                          • #14
                            The British 3.7" AA gun (94mm) had an excellent AP round but it was quite scarce and never adopted as an AT gun mainly due to doctrine and, more importantly, the guns heavy weight. it was not mobile enough. That being said, the 88 was pretty much a defensive weapon and the British did not really spend too much time defending, even in North Africa.

                            The US didn't need the 88 either because it had the more powerful 90mm M1 and M2 (?). Like the British, it was not really needed as an AT weapon because the US did not do all that much defending.
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                            • #15
                              I bet they used a lot of duck tape
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