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  • Canadian DND Proposes Mobile Artillery Vehicle System (MAVS)

    Mobile Artillery Vehicle System
    For decades, Canadian artillery has been towed by either the MLVW or armoured Grizzly gun tractors. But, as part of its ‘transformation of the artillery’, DND proposes to field a truck-mounted self-propelled gun – the Mobile Artillery Vehicle System consisting of the 105mm C3 howitzer pedestal- mounted on the bed of a medium truck. But, that truck may not be the MLVW.

    MAVS Meaning MOBAT Maybe?
    The most probable candidate* for MAVS is RDM’s MOBAT (which employs the same 33 calibre barrel used to update the CF’s 105mm C1 guns). This has all the advantages of commonality but , since MAVS is ultimately a replacement for the CF’s tracked 155mm M109 as well, gunners would be restricted to the smaller calibre. MAVS relies upon ‘shoot-and-scoot’ tactics for survival but range and shell-weight also matter.**

    MAVS – Part of a ‘System of Systems’
    The MAVS concept is a response to the threat of counter-battery fire. It is hoped that net-centric communications will allow MAVS batteries to be dispersed but still able to concentrate their own fire. This, of course, assumes assymetrical warfare – if the opposing forces is likewise ‘digitized’, the advantage disappears and the MAVS battery is as vulnerable as any other.***

    * The Dutch MOBAT was officially offered to Canada to fulfill MAVS late in 2003, having been demonstrated in Manitoba that summer. MOBAT is a modular system which can be mounted on any medium truck. The CF wants MAVS to be mounted on a MLVW replacement.

    ** Under ideal conditions, MOBAT can stop and fire its first round within 90 seconds of receiving orders and then be moving again in a further 30 seconds. The current maximum range (with C132 HEER rounds) is 19.2km. But DND anticipates future ranges of 30km (or even 40km) presumably by using a rocket-assisted shell. MOBAT carries 40 ready rounds.

    *** Being quite high off the ground and unarmoured, MAVS would be more vulnerable under fire than a well-emplaced towed gun. The point of MAVS, of course, is to be moving again before your previous position has been identified. It is questionble whether the weight of fire which can be brought to bear on a target is worth the effort expended. Available truck-mounted 155mm howitzers are much heavier and exacerbate ammunition-handling and supply problems. However, unlike the 105mm howitzer, few field guns can out-range the 155mm.
    Better to be judged by twelve
    then carried by six.

  • #2
    Why not buy the german PzH2000 ?

    Last edited by Kraut; 20 May 04, 02:14.
    "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

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    • #3
      We can only afford something like this.
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      Better to be judged by twelve
      then carried by six.

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      • #4
        what about equipping some of the exisitng LAVs with 120mm AMOS turrets - not quite the same range, but cheaper and easier to integrate for almost the same power downrange.
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        • #5
          how about 2? http://www.wendel.se/rswa/cv90derivat.htm (bottom of page)

          Twins on a Patria http://www.army-technology.com/projects/patria/
          Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rame
            We can only afford something like this.
            I thought RDM had gone bankrupt....but the ministry of defence probably keeps it alive for the Fennek
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kraut
              Why not buy the german PzH2000 ?

              i read some of your post kraut, it seems you are chief advertiser for the german army , this one looks really nice
              do you have an idea why they seem to have kept the style of their ww2 motorized howitzer (hummel) and the same with their tanks
              looking forward to the new version of toaw

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              • #8
                It just look similar to a Hummel because it is tracked and has the same calliber but the difference is that it a) can rotate its turret and b) has a longer barrel and c) a far better crew protection (no longer open topped



                more information:
                http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/pzh2000.htm
                http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pzh2000/

                With the death of the US Crusader program the PzH2000 is probably the best self propelled artillery system in the world.

                for example, from movement getting into fire position, fireing a firemission of 10 shots and back to moving again in less than 2 minutes... will render counter artillery fire pretty much useless

                "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

                Henry Alfred Kissinger

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                • #9
                  pretty interesting kraut
                  well i said it looks like a hummel because the way it is designed ( compare with us self-proppelled guns for instance) i mean german armor of nowadays looks like the one they used in ww2
                  looking forward to the new version of toaw

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