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  • Canadian Leopard MBT's going extinct???

    Seeing as Canada is trying to find ways to upgrade their ground forces with budgets in mind, a couple of proposals
    have come out in response to the proposed extinction of all Leopard C1 & C2 MBT's in the Army's inventory. The possible need for heavy units in combat situations involving urban areas was the main factor for these proposals. The unit would be called the Leopard CAT (combat assault tank).
    One CAT proposal, which would cost some extra dollars, is keeping 12 to 14 Leopard C2's and re-equip them with dozer blade, a 120mm mortar in place of the 105mm gun, a coaxial 40mm grenade launcher mounted beside the mortar, 2 PWS .50 cal HMG's mounted on the turret plus the addition of slat and ball & chain armour all around the tank for additional protection against hollow charge weapons. The changes to the turret would be the main expense.
    The other more cheaper CAT proposal would still involve keeping 12 to 14 Leopard C2's. Re-equip them with a dozer blade, the short 105mm L7 gun instead of the regular 105mm gun, keep the 7.62mm coaxial MG, add 2 PWS - 1 40mm grenade launcher
    & 1 .50cal HMG mounted on the turret plus the addition of slat and ball & chain armour all around the tank for additional protection against hollow charge weapons.
    Better to be judged by twelve
    then carried by six.

  • #2
    Buy some Leopard II A6, attach some KONTAKT-5 and you should be ready to teach those nasty M1's contesting your borders a lesson

    Last edited by Kraut; 20 May 04, 02:16.
    "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

    Henry Alfred Kissinger

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kraut
      Buy some Leopard II A6, attach some KONTAKT-5 and you should be ready to teach those nasty M1's contesting your borders a lesson
      My god, a German refering to an American Tank as "nasty". We did get it right for once in our tank developement history
      Unite your forces in space & time, split the enemy forces spatially & defeat them at different times - Rommel

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Alkiviadis
        My god, a German refering to an American Tank as "nasty". We did get it right for once in our tank developement history
        And here's the reason why:
        M1 ABRAMS ARMAMENT

        The main armament is the 120mm M256 smoothbore gun, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany.
        But the LeoII A6 has the new 120/55 instead of the old 120/44 so it should be able to outshoot all M1

        MAIN ARMAMENT

        A new smoothbore gun, the 120 millimetre L55 Gun, has been developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Ratingen, Germany to replace the shorter 120mm L44 smoothbore tankgun on the Leopard 2. The extension of the barrel length from calibre length 44 to calibre length 55 results in a greater portion of the available energy in the barrel being converted into projectile velocity increasing the range and armour penetration. The L55 smoothbore gun, equipped with a thermal sleeve, a fume extractor and a muzzle reference system, is compatible with current 120mm ammunition and new high penetration ammunition. An improved kinetic energy ammunition known as LKE 2 DM53 was developed as a result of a Tactical Requirement issued in November 1987, and uses the longer gun barrel. With the DM53 round the L55 gun can fire to a range of 5,000m. The effect of the kinetic energy projectile on an enemy target is achieved by 1) the penetrator length and projectile mass and the impact velocity and 2) the interaction between the projectile and the target. The penetrator material is heavy tungsten powder in a monoblock structure. The improved kinetic energy ammunition has higher muzzle energy and recoil forces.
        "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

        Henry Alfred Kissinger

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        • #5
          Well, you shouldn't forget that the U.S. L/44 gets better penetration because the U.S. find it acceptable to fire depleted uranium, which the German don't (not that their MBTs actually fire anywhere).

          The performance of the new gun with tungsten is probably very similar to the old gun with DU.

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          • #6
            It all comes down to money, We don't have any. Not enough population base to finance all the problems. Now if we could get better deals from other countries we would consider them. Now getting the Stryker MGS from the US to replace the Leo C2. Big mistake.
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            Last edited by Rame; 20 May 04, 20:58.
            Better to be judged by twelve
            then carried by six.

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            • #7
              I like it, thats what we should be doing too!
              Not lip service, nor obsequious homage to superiors, nor servile observance of forms and customs...the Australian army is proof that individualism is the best and not the worst foundation upon which to build up collective discipline - General Monash

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              • #8
                wow, they are like.....AVRE's those should be monsters in urban warfare
                French Soldier: You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.

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