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  • Paris police armed with assault rifles after November attacks

    http://www.france24.com/en/20160301-...assault-rifles

    A member of the BAC police units – armed with a handgun – was the first to arrive on scene at the Bataclan concert hall, where he shot dead one of the jihadists who killed 90 people during a show.

    However, he was forced to retreat and await specialised police officers as he was not sufficiently equipped against the two attackers still alive in the building.
    Is the G36 a good assault rifle ? The french army tested it and was not impressed (because of reliability problems if I'm correct).

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  • #2
    No domestic options?

    Also, notice that thick visor on the officer's helmet. That must be incredibly fatiguing to wear.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
      No domestic options?
      Other than replacement parts for the FAMAS, no, not since 2002, when MAS (Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Etienne) factory closed it's doors. Lastest I heard H&K was favored, though I am a bit surprised to read about the G36, I didn't realize it was in contention. Interestingly, the Mini-14/AC-556 continues to be a favorite in GIGN and other French security forces.

      The FAMAS didn't do well at all in exports and the early F1 model rifle being somewhat sensitive to certain ammunitions didn't help. It's depressing really, for the first time since France was created as a nation, her troops will no longer have a primary infantry weapon made domestically.
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      • #4
        I saw the National Gendarmerie with assault rifles in 2013 patrolling Paris. How is this different
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        • #5
          Paris Police and the Gendarmerie are two different organizations with presumably two different sets of rules governing the limits of their authority. It seems Paris Police either didn't issue or were barred from issuing rifles to officers until now. The Gendarmes clearly didn't have that limitation.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by VieuxChat View Post
            http://www.france24.com/en/20160301-...assault-rifles



            Is the G36 a good assault rifle ? The french army tested it and was not impressed (because of reliability problems if I'm correct).

            Reliability under battlefield conditions may be different to reliability in an urban environment?
            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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            • #7
              You cannot go wrong with H&K.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                No domestic options?

                Also, notice that thick visor on the officer's helmet. That must be incredibly fatiguing to wear.
                Possibly that white rim is just that - a rim?
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                  Possibly that white rim is just that - a rim?
                  Nope. That's bullet-resistant material. Its not white, its just the angle to the camera that makes it look white.

                  They're heavy as hell and the extend too far down for rifle use, but they're supposed to deflect anything.

                  My concern would be neck injuries should the officer be hit by concussion with such a front-heavy device on his head.
                  Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by VieuxChat View Post
                    Is the G36 a good assault rifle ? The french army tested it and was not impressed (because of reliability problems if I'm correct).
                    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                    Reliability under battlefield conditions may be different to reliability in an urban environment?
                    Good enough, but not perfect. It will work albeit they could have selected something better in 2016, like HK 416 (or G38, as it was recently service-classified with personal protection/bodyguard Feldjäger unit). Spain, Lithuania, Latvia, dozens of special forces units and police forces, etc. adopted and kept G36 after extensive field tests so it is not a faulty gun.

                    Truth to be told, G36 was probably the very first "plastic" rifle introduced into widespread service (at least in Europe), so some errors were inevitable in such weight-saving design. It was also considered a stop-gap solution for next five to ten years to have something more adequate in service than G3, therefore it was constrained by low cost requirement. The basic mechanism inspired by the AR-18 seems to work well so far and is well thought out in the details, and all requirements at the time of German procurement were met, so it's hard to blame Heckler & Koch.
                    Modern ergonomic standards are hard to expect from rifle over twenty years old. No continuous top rail hampers mounting modern optics; there is no automatic bolt hold-open but only a lock-back imitating the G3 mechanism; and there were also some who think magazine release could be improved.

                    Press reports from 2012 said gun would overheat during prolonged firefights in Afganistan, but issue was eventually traced back to problematic ammunition. German Ministry of Defense repeatedly pointed out that there has been no actual instance reported from deployments where detrimental effects were observed. However since then many rumors started to circulate, prompting a trial to be started involving 25 rifles of different variants, tested against "a range of comparison weapons of different makers" with seven different ammunition types including service round.

                    While all long-barrel G36s met the requisites in cold weather with standard ammunition, accuracy in warmer ambient subsequently dropped continuously and significantly (up to 30% difference among individual G36, regardless of time of production) including latest A3 variant. The short-barreled G36K met none of the requirements at all. Accuracy differed over 50% with same ammunition. One of the comparison weapons met all requirements, showing that they could be reached.

                    Even if part od the accuracy difference was attributed to ammunition used, one main factor was found as culprit: temperature. G36 would become hotter than all comparison rifles and consequently lost accuracy even at low shot counts. Even changes in ambient temperature would affect accuracy considerably, with changes most pronounced at a change from 15 to 45 degrees °C regardless of ammunition. Final verdict was that G36 did not meet requirements across the complete temperature band while comparison rifles did. Even changes in humidity led to similar restrictions, just more slowly. Asymmetric warming through sunshine led to a reversible warping of the receiver and thus the barrel center line.

                    Temperature difference was caused by receiver being made from PA 66, carbon fiber-reinforced polyamide probably better known commercially as Nylon.
                    Nylon is very cheap and that was what Bundeswehr wanted twenty or so years ago. Probably a reason why French went with G36 for police too: price.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                      Reliability under battlefield conditions may be different to reliability in an urban environment?
                      Yes it is!
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                      • #12
                        Over the years there have been a number of LMG/automatic rifles that have proved very effective in the hands of specialist units that can apply TLC to them but have proved less effective in the rough and tumble of general field conditions, perhaps the classic example being the Madsen series of guns used by almost every army in the world but usually only for specialist and often elite units. I wondered if something similar might apply in this case.
                        Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                          Reliability under battlefield conditions may be different to reliability in an urban environment?
                          pretty much always going to be more reliable in an urban environment. especially one like paris.

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                          • #14
                            I thought I remembered seeing them carrying long guns in CDG ever since I've been going to France...96? I thoght they were FN's.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JBark View Post
                              I thought I remembered seeing them carrying long guns in CDG ever since I've been going to France...96? I thoght they were FN's.
                              Pretty sure they had some form of long gun in the 70s. Remember seeing them in Paris when riots were threatened.
                              Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                              Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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