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  • Best army in c1274BC?

    Who do you think had the best army around 1274BC?

    The Egyptians under Ramses II?



    The Hittites under Muwatalli II?



    The Assyrians under Shalmaneser I?




    The Mycenaean Greeks?



    Or another?
    18
    The Egyptians
    5.56%
    1
    The Hittites
    11.11%
    2
    The Assyrians
    61.11%
    11
    The Greeks
    11.11%
    2
    Other
    11.11%
    2
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  • #2
    Not the Egyptians. Tey hadn't fought any extensive campaigns for a long time. Khadesh was at best inconclusive and an Egyptian stratagetic defeat because they failed in taking Khadesh or actually accomplishing anything. Not the Hittites, while strong their civil wars and internal plots and such undermined their military might. Not the Mycenaeans either. An even MORE fractirious lot that took 10 years to take one coty with most of their combined navies and armies. I'd settle on the Assyrians for professionalism and sheer ferocity.
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    • #3
      I've read the Assyrian war machine was pretty dominant during this time. Egypt I'd say was far stronger under Thutmose III and Mycenaean Greece wasn't nearly as strong as it would become during the Classical era.

      I'm not sure I know enough about the Hittites to pass judgement on them, but for now Assyria gets my vote.
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      • #4
        For the moment the Assyrians with a close second of the Hittites.

        Egypt was definitely on the way down at this point, and the Greeks had not yet begun their meteoric rise.
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        • #5
          Egypt and the Hittites fought one another indecisively in this period.

          The Assyrians actually defeated all of their enemies around this time including some Hittite forces.

          The best we have on the Greeks at this time suggests they were still mostly a regional group of forces.

          I pick the Assyrians, by a nose.
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          • #6
            No mention of Wu Ding of the Shang Dynasty.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Ding

            The Sea Peoples: No land could stand before their arms:

            The fact that several civilizations around 1175 BCE collapsed has led suggestion that the Sea Peoples may have been involved in the end of the Hittite, Mycenaean and Mitanni kingdoms.
            Ramesses' comments about the scale of the Sea Peoples' onslaught in the eastern Mediterranean are confirmed by the destruction of the states of Hatti, Ugarit, Ashkelon and Hazor around this time
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            • #7
              Greeks, because giant wooden horses.

              Though seriously, the Assyrian war machine at that time would be the definite winner by my vote.
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              • #8
                Assyrians. They made a name for themselves as being savage, and sweeping their enemies before them. Do those attritubes fit the other choices?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tealo View Post
                  No mention of Wu Ding of the Shang Dynasty.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Ding
                  I looked at Eastern armies but could find no sources of combat capabilirty of their forces. If anyone has info I would be pleased to see it posted.


                  Originally posted by Tealo View Post
                  The Sea Peoples: No land could stand before their arms:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_People
                  The Egyptians beat them.

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                  • #10
                    Sorry Nick But I checked and got my dates mixed up Pan Gen was the King of the Shang Dynasty in 1274 BC and even less is known about him. Wu Ding succeeded him in 1250 BC.
                    But if your interested there's a Documentary on his general Fu Hao also his wife.
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M48Zd_n0GDI

                    True Ramesses II did beat them in 1277 BC but was defeated in the battle of Kadesh 1274 BC. The Sea Peoples are recorded as being allies of the Hittites in the battle.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tealo View Post
                      Sorry Nick But I checked and got my dates mixed up Pan Gen was the King of the Shang Dynasty in 1274 BC and even less is known about him. Wu Ding succeeded him in 1250 BC.
                      But if your interested there's a Documentary on his general Fu Hao also his wife.
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M48Zd_n0GDI

                      True Ramesses II did beat them in 1277 BC but was defeated in the battle of Kadesh 1274 BC. The Sea Peoples are recorded as being allies of the Hittites in the battle.
                      Could you provide some evidence of this please? You may be right, but I've just never heard this before.
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                      • #12
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peo...of_Ramesses_II

                        Something more serious 'The Poem of Pentaur' and 'The Bulletin' are accounts of the battle:

                        http://ib205.tripod.com/kadesh-account.html

                        The Sea People are a shifting alliance of several tribes and could be called The 'Huns' of the age.
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                        • #13
                          The Assyrian's destroyed almost everyone at this time. Theres a reason for their reputation

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