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  • Wallenstein or Tilly?

    The Thirty Year’s War (1618-1648) brought a number of great military commanders from out of the shadows. Of course, the Swedish monarch Gustafus Adolphus was the most famous and most popular.
    But there was also Johann Tserclaes, Count of Tilly and Albrecht von Wallenstein, both capable generals of the Imperial forces.
    Now, if one of these two allies switched sides during the War and came to stand opposite to the other with the same number of troops, cavalry and fighting spirit…who do you think would win the battle?

    In other words, who do you think was the best commander????



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    Albrecht von Wallenstein
    38.46%
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    Johan Tserclaes, Count of Tilly
    46.15%
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    What a difficult question ! I dunno...
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  • #2
    Stratego,you stinker!! Why are you making me think?

    God what a tough one. I would give the nod to Wallenstein,he at least fought well against Gustavus. Tilly was out of his league facing Gustavus.
    If the art of war were nothing but the art of avoiding risks,glory would become the prey of mediocre minds. Napoleon

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    • #3
      I like Monk over Commander of the Hapsburg.
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      • #4
        Damn . More reading required .
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nick the Noodle View Post
          Damn . More reading required .
          You were done reading the Sun and you can only look at page 3 so long.
          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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          • #6
            Wallenstein was a pillager and murderer ! In order to keep his men loyal, he let them commit the worst atrocities. In the end he would be brought to trial for this lack of discipline at the Imperial court.
            In Tilly's army, thinks were alot different. He kept his men loyal by inspiration and example...

            ...and he was Flemish



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            Stratego
            Last edited by Stratego; 21 Jul 09, 08:18.
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            It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

            Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

            BORG

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            • #7
              Had to go with Tilly, but it was a darned hard choice.
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              • #8
                Tilly was brave and noble, who led his men by example and managed to weld them into a disciplined fighting force that knew no fear - those terrifying Imperial tercios rolling across the battlefield.

                Wallenstein on the other hand did whatever he thought he needed to in order to win.

                So I gave it to him.
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                • #9
                  Wallenstein. The man was a diabolical genius. Look at his logistics! He was able to raise large armies and defeat most any army in the field.
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                  • #10
                    Wallenstein was a manipulative calculator, who always did something for a reason that was to his advantage. He was also the first commander who put his entire state (Friesland in northern Bohemia) on a total war footing. He eventually became unstuck through his own ambitions. Tilly, in my opinion, was the better strategist but was let down by lack of support from the Imperial side, and is of course, mainly remembered for the sack of Magdeburg (early propaganda war!). Imagine if both had worked together, the protestant cause would have been doomed.

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                    • #11
                      Very true Josephus. But we must admit despite being an unsavoury character Wallentsein was an excellent general. He was especially good at logistics and organization.
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