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  • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Are we to suspend healthy disbelief vis a vis the "sealed train"?

    Gimme a break.
    Lenin's passage through Germany was not a "secret sabotage operation of planting subversive German agents into Russia", as some illiterate nitwits try to tout it. After the February Revolution the Provisional Government declared amnesty to all political emigrants and invited them to return into Russia. However, the Entente actively opposed the passage of not only Bolsheviks, but even Mensheviks and members of a few other parties, across their territory. Public pressure forced the Provisional Government to open negotiations with Germans, offering them to exchange political emigrants for prisoners of war. The negotiations dragged on, bogged down in political controversies, and eventually the Bolsheviks decided they couldn't wait any longer and asked the Germans to grant them the right of passage themselves.

    Ergo:

    1. This was not an "operation of the German General Staff"
    2. The Bolsheviks did not return as "underground saboteurs" - they were invited to Russia along with all other political emigrants
    3. The agreement with the Germans on the right of passage does not indicate any "betrayal", otherwise the Provisional Goverment and all those it represented would be traitors as well for trying to strike just the same kind of agreement.
    4. The passage through German territory and the accusations of receiving German funding are two separate things which get conflated by people with certain political bias to push their agenda. While the passage was well known back then and does not constitute any betrayal, the accusations of receiving German money have been debunked by several scholars, and Kerensky's papers and Sisson Documents have been exposed as fakes.
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    • Now play nice Gents and keep on topic

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      • I'm not sure if Lenin fits but, oh well.

        Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

        1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
        2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
        3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)[/b]

        4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)

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        • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin


          1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
          2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
          3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)[/b]
          4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)

          5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)

          à vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire (triumph without peril brings no glory) P. Corneille

          Le probleme avec les cons, c'est qu'il ne se fatiguent jamais
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          • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin


            1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
            2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
            3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
            4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
            5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)

            6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)

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            • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin


              1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
              2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
              3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
              4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
              5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
              6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)

              7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)


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              • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)

                8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)

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                • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                  1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                  2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                  3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                  4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                  5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                  6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                  7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)
                  8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)

                  9. Eduard Ivanovich Totleben (1818-84)
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                  Never Fear the Event

                  Admiral Lord Nelson

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                  • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                    1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                    2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                    3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                    4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                    5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                    6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                    7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)
                    8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)
                    9. Eduard Ivanovich Totleben (1818-84)

                    10. Regina Spektor

                    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson.

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                    • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                      1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                      2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                      3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                      4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                      5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                      6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                      7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)
                      8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)
                      9. Eduard Ivanovich Totleben (1818-84)
                      10. Regina Spektor

                      11. Peter Carl Fabergé



                      à vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire (triumph without peril brings no glory) P. Corneille

                      Le probleme avec les cons, c'est qu'il ne se fatiguent jamais
                      (The problem with Pr.cks, is that they never get tired ) Michel Audiard

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                      • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                        1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                        2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                        3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                        4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                        5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                        6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                        7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)
                        8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)
                        9. Eduard Ivanovich Totleben (1818-84)
                        10. Regina Spektor
                        11. Peter Carl Fabergé

                        12. Lev Kamenev (Jewish father)

                        The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson.

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                        • Baker's dozen of Russian leaders, commanders and famous people with foreign origin

                          1. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, Georgian (1878 - 1953)
                          2. Catherine the Great, Prussian (1729 -1796)
                          3. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, aka Lenin (1870-1924)
                          4. John Paul Jones/Павел Джонз, Scotland/United States of America (1747-1792)
                          5. Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Goergia)
                          6. Vitus Bering (Denmark)
                          7. Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly (1761-1818)
                          8. Alexander Pushkin (1799-1837)
                          9. Eduard Ivanovich Totleben (1818-84)
                          10. Regina Spektor
                          11. Peter Carl Fabergé
                          12. Lev Kamenev (Jewish father)

                          13. Konstanty Ksawerowicz Rokossowski



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                          • Baker's Dozen Cities renamed during the Soviet period

                            1. Tver (Kalinin)



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                            • Baker's Dozen Cities renamed during the Soviet period

                              1. Tver (Kalinin)

                              2. Volgograd (Stalingrad)

                              The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson.

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                              • Baker's Dozen Cities renamed during the Soviet period

                                1. Tver (Kalinin)
                                2. Volgograd (Stalingrad)

                                3. St Petersburg (Leningrad)

                                à vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire (triumph without peril brings no glory) P. Corneille

                                Le probleme avec les cons, c'est qu'il ne se fatiguent jamais
                                (The problem with Pr.cks, is that they never get tired ) Michel Audiard

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