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    According to Catholic tradition blessed Gerard was a European Who presided in Islamic Jerusalem over a hospital in the late 11th century. He took on strangers Christian and non-Christian Alike to help heal them.

    And when the Crusaders laid siege to Jerusalem in 1099 the tradition goes that blessed Gerard Would throw loaves of bread over the walls of Jerusalem to his Catholic brothers fighting for the liberation of the holy land. When the Muslims found out about this they captured Gerard and brought him before the Muslim lord, By miracle the loaves of bread had turned to stone to make it appear that Gerard was assisting the Muslims By attacking the Christians with stone as opposed to giving them bread. When Jerusalem was liberated the Crusaders championed and celebrated blessed Gerard.






    “A fresco in the Chapel of the contemporary Grand Magistry in the Via Condotti in Rome depicts Blessed Gérard (Beato Gherardo) chained with a loaf of bread in the left hand. This reminds us of the legend which tells us, Blessed Gérard would have thrown loaves of bread over the walls of Jerusalem to the hungry crusaders during the siege of six weeks preceding the conquest. He would have been caught and brought before the Ottoman defenders to be charged for supporting the enemy. When evidence was to be produced the loaves of bread in his coat had miraculously changed into stones and Blessed Gérard was acquitted.”


    “Blessed Gérard reorganised the former guest house, which was then the hospice or hospital of Jerusalem totally in AD 1099, the year of the conquest of Jerusalem by the crusaders.”



    “Of course, he had to do so, because there was a vast increase of patients admitted to the hospital from among the crusaders themselves and all those who followed their trail as pilgrims again into the freed Holy City. This reorganisation is considered the foundation of the Order of St. John.”


    “Rich donations, e.g. by Godfrey of Bouillon and King Baldwin I(1108) enabled Gérard amongst other things to erect branch hospitals in European Mediterranean harbours. Already before 1113 there were branch hospices at the castle of St. Egid”






    in Asti,
    “Pisa, Bari, Ydrontum, Tarent and Messina. Pilgrims, who got sick, should be treated there at an early stage, because otherwise the influx of sick pilgrims into the Hospital of Jerusalem would have become too big, especially as the passage to Jerusalem was free again in these times and therefore pilgrims came to Jerusalem again in large numbers.”


    [ Pope Paschalis II and King Philip I ]
    “Pope Paschal II. (13.8.1099 - 21.1.1118) confirmed the hospital community on February 15, 1113 through the bull "Piae postulatio voluntatis" as a religious order, he took on the protectorate of the hospital and confirmed the acquisitions and donations of the Order in Europe and Asia”

    Blessed Gérard and his everlasting brotherhood: The Order of St. John of Jerusalem (by Fr. Gérard Lagleder O.S.B.)
    Blessed Gerard, his legends his real life alike would be spoken about to crowds for the rest of the middle ages as a pious man, a man who built hospitals. A man who helped those in need. A point To be taken from this is that through the 12th to 16th century Catholics would praise the name of Blessed Gerard as a man who helped the poor, a man who helped the sick, that is to say to help the sick, to help the disabled was the proper Christian way.
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    The order of Saint John of Jerusalem, otherwise known as the Knights Hospitaller Made remarkable medical achievements in the kingdom of Jerusalem.

    The brother knights of the hospitaller order Were to dress modestly, were to give their horses to injured man of battle.

    The Knights Operated hospitals in Palestine to help cure people with infectious diseases of the time. Such hospitals could at Max hold up to 2000 patients...They used mobile medical services that acted as modern day ambulances would, stretchers would be used.

    Having the equivalent of modern day diplomas ....Well educated knights who would act as physicians would tend to the sick. There was also The equal of modern day food banks and orphanages set up to help feed the needy and house homeless children in The crusader states.


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    • #3
      As Hume points out in detail....the job of the Knights Hospitaller was to in part provide medical relief to Muslims and Christians alike, it mattered not ones religion or color...the Knights duty was to care for the sick. This humanity has influenced medical organizations such as the Red Cross to this day and others to help those in need regardless of their background. The Knights Hospitaller was a wide ranging organization having medical and military chapters. They were considered a pioneer force in terms of military medical officers...having the ability to both tend to and protect the wounded during battle.

      The Hospitallers were expected to provide medical relief to even their very opponents in battle...this quite remarkable and clearly goes to show it would be wrong to blanket label the Church or middle ages as a time of backward morals or medical/scientific stagnation. Jews, Muslims, Christians in the crusader states were all tended to medically by the Knights Hospitallers. For the Knights this was the Catholic faith of the middle ages, to be brave in battle but also charitable toward non Christians.


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      The charitable work of the Blessed Gerard, his orders kindness toward Christian and non Christian alike is noted by Hume. The great Christian Lords Frederick Barbarossa and Richard The Lionheart respected the Knights Hospitaller for their charitable works. In The Kingdom of Jerusalem the Knights is shown by John of Wurzburg as hospital that could hold upwards of two thousand patients(normally geared for 1000 but in emergencies could take more) and spanned 150 meters. Pope Paschal II in 1113 set the precedent, that the Knights were exempt from paying tithes on their possessions in the Holy land as well as Europe.


      Conditions in hospitals in the crusader states were far ahead of their time. As late as 18th century many hospitals worldwide would cramp patients into beds and rooms creating unsafe conditions. But in the crusader states as shown by the 12th century Rabbi Benjamin who visited Palestine between 1160 and 1173 , at the Hospital of Soloman the sickly "were provided everything they wanted in both life and death."

      In Jerusalem during the 12th century, a traveler by name of Theodorich visited the hospital of St John The Baptist. He remarked " how abundantly it is supplied with rooms and other material for the use of poor and sick people" the beds numbered more then 1000".
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      • #4


        The Hospitaller order had its first ever English Grand Master in Fra Andrew Bertie who served from 1988-2008.


        Last edited by Stonewall_Jack; 23 Sep 20, 19:17.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          (...)
          Conditions in hospitals in the crusader states were far ahead of their time. As late as 18th century many hospitals worldwide would cramp patients into beds and rooms creating unsafe conditions. But in the crusader states as shown by the 12th century Rabbi Benjamin who visited Palestine between 1160 and 1173 , at the Hospital of Soloman the sickly "were provided everything they wanted in both life and death."
          Not too sure of that - the hospitallers were a continuation of an existing monastic tradition, the Benedictines in particular had been operating "infirmaria" for centuries.

          In 719, a converted local Aleman named Otmar had founded a new monastery at the site and governed it for forty years under Benedictine rules. From its early years, the complex contained an infirmary as well as lodgings for the poor. Amply endowed with gifts of land from as far away as Breisgau in the upper Rhine and Thurgau, St. Gall flourished. Otmars early successors, however, struggled with the Alemannic bishops at Constance who were their titular heads and envious of their new wealth. The monasterys golden century spanned the years 818-926, following emperor Louis the Pious grants of tax immunity and the right to hold free elections for abbot.
          From the start, hospitality and healing the sick became a key responsibility of European monasteries, reflective of both the inward and worldly missions they had assumed. As in the East, early Christian welfare in Europe targeted voluntary and structural paupers--there were few distinctions between them-- as well as pilgrims. Many were rural peasants, legally free, possibly even owners of small plots who had suffered hard times. As early as Merovingian times, local bishops had been charged with assigning one-fourth of their revenues for the needs of the poor whose names were kept on special lists, a third in rural parishes. Many were fed, clothed and sheltered in the poorhouse or mansio pauperum adjoining the church.
          https://www.academia.edu/26418965/Ch...ne_Monasticism
          Last edited by Snowygerry; 24 Sep 20, 08:38.
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          • #6
            The distinguishing feauture of the The order of Saint John was not that they operated hospitals and cared for the infirm, monastic orders had done that for a long time, what was unusual was it was highly effective military force and an independent political power in addition to a monastic order.

            There's a famous quote, it took me a while to find :

            Something of their monopoly in this field is reflected in the words of Thoros of Armenia, who is said to have made the following comment to King Amaury during a visit to the Kingdom of Jerusalem in the 1160s:

            ‘When I came to your land and inquired to whom the castles belonged, I sometimes received the reply: “This belongs to the Temple”: elsewhere I was told: “It is the Hospital’s.” I found no castle or city or town which was said to be yours, except three.’
            From "Archaeology of the Military Orders" by Adrian J. Boas.
            Last edited by Snowygerry; 24 Sep 20, 09:48.
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            • #7
              Lt Col Edgar Hume of the US medical corps provides his take on medieval Church organizations that contributed to medical science and the poor...he concentrates on the Knights Hospitaller. This is in addition to the two other sources already provided on medical contributions of the Knights Hospitaller in Palestine during the middle ages. Violence, criminal behavior and intolerance was shown by Jews, Pagans, Muslims and Catholics alike during the middle ages....but it was not all darkness.

              Lt Col Hume puts forth the work to show the powerful ways of the Hospitallers, whose contributions during the middle ages helped to advance medicine and science to where we are today.


              Fra Bertie also points out in the last video poster itt that a key component of the knights Hospitaller was to help the poor and sick. This has Been the way of the order for over 900 years. The orders leaders and layman Were deeply respected by the Muslims throughout the years. Saladin ordered his men to pay homage to the knights in the form of monetary donations in the times of war as well as peace.
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              • #8
                One of the stories of the Crusade that stand out is Saladins secret visit to the crusader states @ The Hospital at Acre. The story was told throughout the middle ages in song and verse as reported by Hume. Saladin came disguised as a sick and poor Muslim begger, he was immediately admitted to the Crusader hospital as was custom of that noble land to not deny one based on religion or color. This is yet another characteristic of the middle ages, tolerance, acceptance, noble values of the Knights toward Jews and Muslims not just fellow members of the cross. Saladin would go on to test the morals of the Crusaders, he had asked for something remarkable...Saladin conveyed he would need the heart(other stories suggested the foot) of the horse of very Master of the Knights Hospitaller to heal him.....amazingly the Knights hospitallers agreed as such an action while it would cost the life of the steed Moriel it would save the life of a simple Muslim begger. The Knights tried to offer Saladin a more medically approved treatment but Saladin insisted on the steeds heart. Upon learning of the Knights eventually agreement to give the noble steeds heart Saladin was amazed and revealed the truth to the Master of the Knights, he did not need the heart of a steed and so Moriel was saved. Saladin was also taken back by the organization, tolerance, chivalry and medical achievements of the Crusader hospitals in Palestine.

                But this was not all... Saladin had revealed himself to the Grand Master of the Knights Hospitaller...the master could have killed or jailed Saladin. But as a guest Saladin expected humble treatment and that he was given. Saladin left the hospital unharmed and returned to his Muslim forces. Saladin came away from this episode having a profound respect for the Knights Hospitallers. Saladin ordered that a thousand besants of gold be paid to the Hospitaller order in times of peace and war. This goes to show the tolerance of the Crusader states toward non Christians, such tolerance influenced the very ideas of the fair law systems we see today many countries today.






                The Middle ages saw violeance but also tolerance. Same with the Protestant reform which including killings of so called heretics and witches burned alive. But itt, we see an important part of the middle ages ie the Crusader states had hospitals that did not discriminate, otoh they welcomed sick Jews and Muslims to be cared for. No doubt that there were areas of the middle ages that were more tolerant compared to areas of the post middle ages(including the protestant reform)
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                • #9
                  Emblems of the Catholic middle ages such as the Maltese cross have influenced modern day laws of war. The cross translated to four virtues... temperance, prudence, justice and fortitude.

                  Active and reserve regiments of the US army have even used modifications of the Cross of The Knights of St John

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                  • #10

                    Various orders of Knighthood throughout the middle ages would welcome folks regardless of their wealth or background. This is the sort of value we see in the modern era where anyone could rise up through hard work to a better and or more important lot in life.

                    A poor Catholic European in this sense could rise up the ranks in the middle ages by good deeds, he did not have to come from wealth.. This would inevitably improve society as the best and most morally upright people could become members of Knight orders in the middle ages.





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                    • #11
                      Didn't Saladin execute both the Templars and Hospitallers who were captured at Hattin in 1187? Why did he do that?
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                        Various orders of Knighthood throughout the middle ages would welcome folks regardless of their wealth or background.




                        Which Orders did you have in mind?

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                        • #13


                          Richard The Lionheart and Saladin Reportedly executed POWs. It happens throughout the history of all ages, ancient ages middle ages and modern time. Though An argument could be made that warfare of the modern era is far more violent than the middle ages. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki wiped out hundreds of thousands in one action. The brutalities committed by Isil, Even modern day war crimes by American and European forces that have occurred in the Middle East. The death penalty is still active in many countries of the world.

                          Numerous reputable historians put forth such as Hume and Rene Grousset use sources from the middle ages, people who lived in those times to show a few things. There have been countless sources put forth in the thread to show that

                          The Knights Hospitaller was originally founded by Blessed Gerard as A means to provide medical relief to pilgrims and people of the Outremer. The order eventually evolved to include a military purpose to defend Catholic holdings in the Middle East.

                          The Knights Hospitaller were respected by Catholics and Muslims alike. This order Gave medical care to sickly Jews, Muslims and Christians alike in the crusader states

                          Saladin was so in awe of the order that he bestowed gold as a tribute to The knights Hospitaller in a time of war and peace.


                          During the third Crusade when Richard the lion heart was facing off against Saladin....Catholic and Muslim children would play games with each other and be friends each other in no man’s land in between battle. This sort of reminds us of the Christmas truce of World War One. It shows that even during times of war during the crusades that Muslims and Christians would respect each other...these were not wars of obliteration like something the Reich or Isil would engage in.

                          The Knights Hospitaller Survived the middle ages unlike the Knights Templar. The Hospitaller Were interesting because it was their duty to protect men in combat but also came to the wounded whether they were friends or foe.

                          The Knights Hospitaller Have a history of surviving odds such as at the siege of Rhodes in 1480 as well as The Siege of Malta in 1565. The ottoman Muslims deeply respected the knights for their bravery and hospitality.

                          Grand Master Jean Paristot de Valette and Grand Master Pierre d’ Aubussion were leaders of the Knights Hospitaller. They led the Catholic forces at Rhodes and Malta respectively.... They are among the greatest Christian military men of all history, possibly the greatest of all for being able to win against such great odds.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jf42 View Post

                            Which Orders did you have in mind?
                            The Knights Hospitaller are the main focus of this thread. It is well documented that the Hospitallers were deeply pious and tolerant of different faiths as they administered medical work to Jews and Muslims. A # of Jews and Muslims converted to Catholicism during the middle ages due to being impressed by the honorable ways of the Knights Hospitaller.

                            But also the Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem comes to mind,

                            The Order has retained its traditional moral values such as the spirit of service, sacrifice and discipline that still characterizes the Knights today.

                            Battles are no longer with the sword; the modern battle is fought in the struggle against disease, poverty, exclusion and intolerance, by promoting and defending the faith.

                            All members of the Order, whether clergy or laity, are devoted to the values of Christian charity; striving for spiritual perfection by working for the good of others. As truly ecumenical order of chivalry, membership in the Order of Saint Lazarus is open, depending on sponsorship, to Christian men or women, who respects the values of Christianity, who hold an ardent desire to help others and work for Christian unity.

                            http://ordersaintlazarususa.com/
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