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  • Originally posted by Massena View Post

    You have not supported any of your postings in this thread with any credible primary or secondary source material (Wikipedia is not a credible source). So it seems that it's up to you, not me, to support your 'opinions.'
    You again fail to follow the discussion. Information about Mongol achievements was provided to you.
    There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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    • I submit that anything even close to 'factual' as represented by you is questionable at the least. Your 'information' is not reliable.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • It was submitted by Artyom. Coming from someone quoting idiot Elting, your post appears like hypocrisy.
        There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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        • Is it possible to discuss historical generals without sniping at one another? The answer, of course, is yes, so cease the personally directed comments - ACG staff

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          • Originally posted by Massena View Post

            When discussing warfare, moral judgments are always relevant.
            It's questionable as it invokes enormous hypocrisy, particularly if one judges ancient or feudal era morals with 2020 morality. Even the Samurai thought their code was a paragon of moral excellence. Roman and Greek morality had quite of lot of problems from the 2020 pov too.

            If moral judgement is a big part of "Best General" then there are no best generals, Generals are "moral cretins"save for a few moderns of recent history.
            Last edited by Cult Icon; 23 Jul 20, 08:18.

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            • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post

              It's questionable as it invokes enormous hypocrisy, particularly if one judges ancient or feudal era morals with 2020 morality. Even the Samurai thought their code was a paragon of moral excellence. Roman and Greek morality had quite of lot of problems from the 2020 pov too.

              If moral judgement is a big part of "Best General" then there are no best generals, Generals are "moral cretins"save for a few moderns of recent history.
              That is an inaccuracy, historically, as the military profession, especially as it gradually grew into a profession, had basic ethics and rules to follow. Many times they were not, the best examples being the German army in Wars I and II and the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong 1965-1975 and before.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                That is an inaccuracy, historically, as the military profession, especially as it gradually grew into a profession, had basic ethics and rules to follow. Many times they were not, the best examples being the German army in Wars I and II and the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong 1965-1975 and before.
                The only rule is to win the war. Ethics and rules are nonsense, especially if taken outside of geo-historical context.
                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                  The only rule is to win the war. Ethics and rules are nonsense, especially if taken outside of geo-historical context.
                  Or, as I like to say: The only real war crime is losing

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                  • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                    Or, as I like to say: The only real war crime is losing
                    Then you believe that committing war crimes and atrocities are fine as long as you win? Incredible and monstrous.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      Then you believe that committing war crimes and atrocities are fine as long as you win? Incredible and monstrous.
                      The winners define what are "war crimes." Do you really believe if Nazi Germany won WW 2 that one person in the German military would have been tried for a "war crime?" On the other hand, I can bet Germany would have punished the losers in all sorts of ways.

                      It isn't "incredible and monstrous." It is realistic and pragmatic.

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                      • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                        Then you believe that committing war crimes and atrocities are fine as long as you win? Incredible and monstrous.
                        Then what are you waiting for and don't go the tribunal ? The most notorious war criminals like G.W. Bush or Bill Clinton live in your country.
                        There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                        • Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                          Then what are you waiting for and don't go the tribunal ? The most notorious war criminals like G.W. Bush or Bill Clinton live in your country.
                          The most notorious war criminals are the Nazis followed by Stalin and his band of cutthroats. Get a grip.
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                            The most notorious war criminals are the Nazis followed by Stalin and his band of cutthroats. Get a grip.
                            Stalin never invaded so much countires as US did.
                            There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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                            • Well, let's see...Poland, Germany, Hungary, the Baltic states, Austria, Bulgaria, Greece (communist insurgency), Czechoslavakia, Albania, etc., and he subjugated them to boot. And two of them revolted against communist rule and subjugation in 1956 and 1968 (Hungary and Czechoslavakia, respectively). And Putin has revived that tradition by incursions into Georgia and Ukraine.

                              The United States invaded German-held France and helped liberate it, as well as Holland, Italy, and Germany. And the US did not take over those countries after the war. Since War II, the US has invaded Grenada to liberate American students, Afganistan because of the 9/11 terrorist attack, and Iraq. Part of Syria, during their civil war, was operated in because of ISIS.

                              So, it looks like Stalin wins, hands down, in the invasion game.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                                Well, let's see...Poland, Germany, Hungary, the Baltic states, Austria, Bulgaria, Greece (communist insurgency), Czechoslavakia, Albania, etc., and he subjugated them to boot. And two of them revolted against communist rule and subjugation in 1956 and 1968 (Hungary and Czechoslavakia, respectively). And Putin has revived that tradition by incursions into Georgia and Ukraine.

                                The United States invaded German-held France and helped liberate it, as well as Holland, Italy, and Germany. And the US did not take over those countries after the war. Since War II, the US has invaded Grenada to liberate American students, Afganistan because of the 9/11 terrorist attack, and Iraq. Part of Syria, during their civil war, was operated in because of ISIS.

                                So, it looks like Stalin wins, hands down, in the invasion game.
                                So much ignorance and nonsense.

                                Germany, Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria, Slovakia were the Axis and USSR occupied them as enemies. Albania was liberated by their own forces. Same for Greece liberated by the communists. Georgia and Ukraine are historical parts of Russian territory. Just like Poland and Baltic states.

                                US invaded Haiti, Grenada, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Domenican Republic, Syria, North Korea.

                                US list in much longer.
                                There are no Nazis in Ukraine. Idiots

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