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  • Dating the Pharoahs?

    Just watched a documentary on a plausible scientific explanation for the 10 Plagues of Egypt.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt

    The explanation basically involves a volcanic event as the cause, namely that at Thera, the catastrophe that may have led to the Atlantis sagas. The problem with this explanation is that the Plagues are said to linked to Moses, and therefore Thutmose II, but this Pharaoh’s reign is said to start 1513 BC at the very earliest, perhaps 1493 BC, and Theran explosion is dated at least 30 years earlier.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan...ruption_dating

    So who dated the Pharaohs, and which method was used? If the dating is correct, the volcanic theory is false, if not, it may be true.


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    I wouldn't date any of the Pharaohs; I'm married. They, in turn, would be extremely unlikely to want to date me.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist.
    Michele

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      The dating is derived from the king lists the ancient Egyptians themselves put together. The primary ones are the Abydos, Saqqara and Karnak lists (also the Turin list and the Palermo stone). And yes, there are problems with them due to incompleteness and omissions (the 13th dyn is a particular mess), so it's not accurate in any absolute sense.

      But it means the kings can be arranged, with length of reign specified, in sequence up to such a time that they intersect with first Biblical history, then ancient Greek and eventually Roman history, where we end up on considerably safer ground.

      This also means that the chronology of Ancient Egypt is also the key to aligning it with all neighbouring ancient societies. I.e. we can date North African and Mid Eastern ancient civilizations by finding where it intersects with Ancient Egypt, which we can then align with the roots of western historiography. It's a pretty neat trick where chains of linked civilizations can be cross-referenced to establish who was contemporaries.

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      • #4
        The theory that the plagues were triggered by a volcanic eruption has been around for some time and keeps coming up in various forms. However there are two other theories which also appear credible. One is that there was a major algae bloom in the Nile and another is that that deep in Africa there was a combination of a very severe drought followed by a very heavy rainfall event that caused large quantities of dust to be washed into the Nile upsetting the mineral and nutrient balance and affecting the Egyptian biota's environment.
        Last edited by MarkV; 18 Sep 18, 13:41.
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        Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Michele View Post
          I wouldn't date any of the Pharaohs; I'm married. They, in turn, would be extremely unlikely to want to date me.

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          Given ancient Egyptian royalty's tendency not to observe modern sexual norms, lax as they have become (they were heavily into incest for example) I wouldn't be too sure about that. The mummy's curse might be worse than you think.
          Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
          Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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          • #6
            Thanks for all the replies. I do seem to remember a documentary where dating Pharaohs was doubted. It was when a supposed earlier pharaohs tomb was clearly made after a later Pharaohs tomb was constructed. Memory is hazy on the details though..
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