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  • #16
    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You guys don't believe that some people are just Alphas - born to lead?
    There might be some; shades of Huxley's "Brave New World", ...
    ... but I'd suspect many go through life circumstances that shape them in that direction, when also not going through some training that enhances their original talent.

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    • #17
      Back in 1982, while attending the Command and General Staff College at Ft. Leavenworth, I ran across this quote on leadership, "Officers are composed of two kinds, teh water walkers and ice makers. The water walkers actually walk on the ice makers' products and the heads of other water walkers who have fallen through."
      Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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      • #18
        Anyone can be taught to give orders. No one can be taught to lead. It is something only a few can do. Even fewer can do it really well.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #19
          All the U.S. military services teach and have manuals on leadership.
          Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by R.N. Armstrong View Post
            All the U.S. military services teach and have manuals on leadership.
            I can teach you calculus, but that will not make you Stephen Hawking. I can teach you to play a cello, but you will not be Yo Yo Ma. Leaders are born, not made. If the ability isn't there, manuals and courses will not produce it. Instead, they will produce a cadre of pissy little martinents.

            I served under a wide variety of West Point ring knockers. I only ever met two that were true leaders. The best commander I ever served under was a Mustang. He could tell you to get screwed and you would actually look forward to the trip.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              I can agree that the best teacher in anything is experience some of which can be be taught--that's why we listen to veterans and mustangs.
              Leadership is the ability to rise above conventional wisdom.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                I can teach you calculus, but that will not make you Stephen Hawking. I can teach you to play a cello, but you will not be Yo Yo Ma. Leaders are born, not made. If the ability isn't there, manuals and courses will not produce it. Instead, they will produce a cadre of pissy little martinents.

                I served under a wide variety of West Point ring knockers. I only ever met two that were true leaders. The best commander I ever served under was a Mustang. He could tell you to get screwed and you would actually look forward to the trip.
                You're confusing genius with effectiveness. A baseline natural ability is required to get a Hawking, a Ma, or a Merrill, Napoleon, Caesar, or Patton. But training, education, and experience can make both the average and the genius better. You can bet tha Hawking and Ma put in hours of study and application.Those same hours may not turn me into a Patton, but are likely to make me far more effective in the duties I perform.

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