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  • Originally posted by lirelou View Post
    Au contraire, mon cher Ami, I have read the history. The war started in December 1946, and we signed up to back the French AND the Associated States, who were also signatories, in 1950, with our first shipment of military support arriving in January 1951, when the war was going into its 5th year. Prior to that, our contribution was nada, zip, zero.
    Now, that's interesting. No shipment of U.S. military aid to the French for their war in Indochina before it was landed in Jan. 1951.

    Well, we live and learn.
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    • Redzen, there are still some missing numbers. At one time I had a table of costs that showed the Associated States budget transfers, which were relatively small and only paid between 1951 and 1953. It's somewhere in a study entitled "Le Piastre et le Fusil: le cot de la guerre d'Indochine" They came in late, and were not important, but added to the costs.

      In 1953 the US had agreed to finance the costs associated with arming and equipping the Associated State Armies, the largest of which became the ARVN in 1955. Prior to DBP tghe State of VN ad a fair number of units, such as the five Vietnamese Parachute Battalions, serving under the French, and in some cases commanded by French officers. Likewise, the Commandos of North Vietnam, the amphibious element of which later gave rise to the Vietnamese Marine Corps, were under French command. Those Hellcat aircraft delivered to the French in 1951 should have shown up in this document, unless they were being credited to Nato.

      The first US Cash transfers to the French show up in 1952, which is before the US agreed to finance the Assoc. State Armies. In 1952 the French spent 334 billion francs on the War in Indochina, out of a total military budget of 1,270 billion francs. The US portion was 115 million francs for 1952.

      In 1953 the French spent 285 billion francs on the war, out of a national defense budget of 1,279 billion francs. The US threw in 150 million francs. So the French contribution outweighed the US. But by now the US was providing all military assistance to the Assoc. States,

      !954, of course, was the crisis year with Dien Bien Phu taking center stage and talks scheduled at Geneva. French military spending on the war dropped to 142 billion francs within a Defense budget of 1110.5 billion francs. The US has programmed another 150 Billion francs, but made an emergency transfer of 135 billion francs, presumably for DBP, raising our total contribution to 285 million francs for 1954. It is this last year's percentage that apparently has given rise to the belief that the US paid for the first indochina war.

      This is per a report of "M. Bousch au Conseil de la Republique" No. 165, which you should be able to pull up if you read French.
      dit: Lirelou

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      • John Foster Dulles on US assistance in the Indochina War

        "According to records in the John Foster Dulles Papers, Eisenhower Presidential Library, Abilene, Kansas,*the total financial support for French operations in Indochina was cited as $2,426,300.00 and included Military Assistance, Economic and Technical Assistance and Special Financial Support for French and Associated States forces in Indochina between Fiscal Years 1950 and 1954.

        "This amount represented a U.S. contribution of about one-fourth of the total cost of the 7 year war in Indochina and that with the greatly increased tempo of U.S. assistance in the fiscal year 1954, United States assistance came to represent about two-thirds of the current material and financial burden of the war.

        "See U.S. Assistance for Indochina, John Foster Dulles Papers, 195159, Subject Series C, International Subseries, Box 9, Indochina.* Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Abilene, Kansas. See also Mark Atwood Lawrence, Assuming the Burden: European and the American Commitment to War in Vietnam (Berkely: University of California Press, 2005), 285."

        This was a single paragraph. I've broken it up to emphasize what years the US provided military assistance to the French; the fact that monies spent on arming and equipping the Armies of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos were also included in the totals, the fact that the assistance amounted to 1/4th of the cost of the entire "French" war; and that the only year US assistance amounted to more than the French spent themselves was 1954. I suspect that the monies also included what was spent moving northern refugees to the South which in these times would be counted separately as humanitarian aid. Finally, it underscores the French themselves picked up the costs for 3/4ths of the war, minus any British assistance. The source document can be found here: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/09592318.2017.1374594
        Last edited by lirelou; 06 Nov 17, 17:35.
        dit: Lirelou

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