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    Best page I found for english links so far. About 1/3 go to the excellent Indochine site.

    http://www.casahistoria.net/frenchindochina.htm

    Nice site for CEFEO air

    http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/

    and another

    http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n1/frcoin.html

    List of French prime ministers. 15 changes of government in 7 years (47-54)

    http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...ters-of-france

    Danny OHara's Weird Wars page

    http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/wwars/wwars.html
    "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

  • #2
    My very much uncompleted list of the OOB for CEFEO units that served from 1947 onwards. Mainly taken from S&T #209 but I did find some engineer and support bns. Infantry is next. Then maybe dates, then start over ...
    Any one have the TO&E for an Aerial Observation Battalion?
    What is 163eme Colonial Battalion of Transmissions? Radio unit?

    French Union forces in Indochina.

    Airborne

    Colonial Parachute Commando Demi-Brigade (SAS)
    1st Parachute Demi-Brigade (SAS)
    1st Parachute Chasseurs Regiment
    2nd Colonial Parachute Commando Demi-Brigade
    1st Colonial Parachute Battalion
    2nd Colonial Parachute Battalion
    3rd Colonial Parachute Battalion
    (removed 4th BPC. was stationed in west africa until 1957)
    5th Colonial Parachute Battalion
    6th Colonial Parachute Battalion
    7th Colonial Parachute Battalion
    8th Colonial (Shock) Parachute Battalion
    10th Dismounted Parachute Chasseurs Battalion
    1st Foreign Legion Parachute Battalion
    2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Battalion

    Armor/Armored Cavalry

    1st Armored Cavalry Regiment
    4th Dragoon Regiment
    5th Armored Cavalry Regiment
    9th Dragoon Marche Regiment
    8th Algerian Spahis Regiment
    2nd Moroccan Spahis Regiment
    5th Moroccan Spahis Regiment
    6th Moroccan Spahis Regiment
    Far East Spahis Marche Regiment
    Far East Colonial Armored Regiment
    1st Foreign Legion Cavalry Regiment
    4th Dragoon Battalion
    7th Squadron, 1st Moroccan Spahis Marche Regiment
    1st Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
    2nd Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
    3rd Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
    4th Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
    5th Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron

    Artillery

    2nd Artillery Regiment
    4th Colonial Artillery Regiment
    10th Colonial Artillery Regiment
    41st Colonial Artillery Regiment
    69th African Artillery Regiment
    Moroccan Colonial Artillery Regiment
    Marche Battalion, 64th Artillery Regiment
    Marche Battalion, 66th Artillery Regiment
    1st Battalion, Far East Colonial Antiaircraft Regiment
    1st Group, 35th Parachute Regiment (Light Artillery) added
    21st Aerial Observation Battalion
    22nd Aerial Observation Battalion
    23rd Aerial Observation Battalion
    24th Aerial Observation Battalion
    261st Antiaircraft Battalion
    French East African Colonial Artillery Battalion
    Levant Colonial Mountain Artillery Battalion (added)
    1st Central Annam Artillery Battalion
    2nd Central Annam Artillery Battalion

    Engineers

    17th Engineer Battalion
    22nd Engineer Battalion
    26th Engineer Battalion
    28th Legion Engineer Battalion (added)
    31st Engineer Battalion
    61st Engineer Battalion
    62nd Engineer Battalion
    71st Engineer Battalion
    72nd Engineer Battalion
    73rd Engineer Battalion
    75th Engineer Battalion
    (61st Colonial Engineer Battalion
    71st Colonial Engineer Battalion
    72nd Colonial Engineer Battalion
    73rd Colonial Engineer Battalion) I'm not sure if these units are the same as above with Colonial added.
    74th Colonial Engineer Battalion
    76th Legion Engineer Battalion


    Support

    532nd Medical Transportation Company
    Far Eastern Provisional Brigade's Colonial Service and Transportation Company
    71st Traffic Control Company
    73rd Traffic Control Company
    503rd Transportation Battalion
    515th Transportation Battalion
    516th Transportation Battalion
    519th Transportation Battalion
    163eme Colonial Battalion of Transmissions
    Last edited by craine; 03 Nov 05, 18:59. Reason: Still double checking sources
    "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    • #3
      If you're into Indochina War, don't miss these two sites:

      Indo 1945-1954

      Ðiên Biên Phú

      Also, Transmissions is indeed radio (Signal I think is the equivalent in english)

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      • #4
        Groupe Aérien d’ Observation d’ Artillerie

        Originally posted by craine
        Any one have the TO&E for an Aerial Observation Battalion?

        21st Aerial Observation Battalion
        22nd Aerial Observation Battalion
        23rd Aerial Observation Battalion
        24th Aerial Observation Battalion
        French Air OOB in Indochina

        http://indochine54.free.fr/cefeo/air.html#top

        "GAOA"

        1952 ALOA, the Light Aviation of Artillery Observation,(l'Aviation Légère d'Observation d'Artillerie),....

        which is made up of GAOA, which stands for Air Groups of Artillery Observation,(Groupe Aérien d’ Observation d’ Artillerie)

        November 22nd 1954 ALAT, the Light Aviation of the Army,(l'Aviation Légère de l'armée de Terre) founded.

        Prior to this aircrew were from L’Armée de l’air and the régiments d'artillerie.

        From:

        http://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/ter..._anniversaire/


        Thus,

        1ere GAOA Indochina, May 1st 1946, : 3 "Escadrille" each with 4 MS 500 'Criquet' (Fiesler Storch copy)

        Designation changes to 21eme GAOA October 1st 1950.

        Has 8 MS 500 on charge in November 1950.

        Transferred to Tonkin, January 1952.

        At battle of Dien Bien Phu until May 8th 1952.

        Disbanded during formation of ALAT


        For 23eme GAOA (formerly 3eme GAOA) bases in Indochina see:

        http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aeromil-yf/3eme_rhc.htm
        Andy "Weeble" Weaver

        Research, Reference and Historical Study

        Illud Latine dici non potest

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        • #5
          Excellent! Thanks to all!
          "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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          • #6
            French Casualties of the Indochina War

            French Casualties of the Indochina War

            Army

            KIA
            3 Generals
            8 Colonels
            18 Lt Colonels
            69 Majors
            341 Captains
            1,140 Lieutenants and 2nd Lieutenants
            2,683 French NCOs
            6,008 French Soldiers
            12,019 NCO and other ranks; North-African, African, and Legionnaires.
            14,093 Indigenous enlisted personnel

            MIA
            1 Lt Colonel
            5 Majors
            60 Captains
            134 Lts and 2nd Lts
            2,755 NCOs and soldiers
            5,792 NCO and other ranks; North-African, African, and Legionnaires.
            12,830 Indigenous enlisted personnel

            WIA
            20,899 French
            24,347 North-African, African, and Legionnaires.

            Medical Evacuees
            31,291 officers and men

            POWs released
            16,118 officers and men
            "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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            • #7
              Pretty cool pics of a 1/6 sized model figure Vietnamese paratrooper jumping out of a Junkers. Very nice look down shot of the black river. Too bad that his personal web site "Les Soldats Perdus French Indochina War website" is a 404.

              Title: Last combat drop from a Junkers Ju-52, 1951

              http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/foru...threadid=23462
              "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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              • #8
                Very nice! , thanks guys.
                SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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                • #9
                  Now comes the Infantry!

                  Colonial Infantry

                  Korea Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 1st Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 2nd Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 5th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  6th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  9th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  11th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 16th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 19th Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  21st Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  22nd Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  23rd Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  43rd Colonial Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 35th Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 36th Infantry Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 49th Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 110th Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 151st Infantry Regiment
                  13th Foreign Legion Demi-Brigade
                  2nd Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
                  3rd Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
                  5th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 1st Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
                  5th Battalion, 4th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
                  3rd Battalion, 6th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment

                  Algerians/Tunisians

                  1st Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
                  2nd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
                  3rd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
                  7th Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
                  22nd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 6th Algerian Rifle Regiment
                  21st Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  22nd Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  23rd Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  25th Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  27th Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  205th Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  217th Algerian Rifle Battalion
                  4th Tunisian Rifle Regiment
                  1st African Light Infantry Battalion

                  Moroccans

                  Moroccan Colonial Rifle Regiment
                  1st Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  2nd Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  3rd Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  4th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  5th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  6th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  8th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  Marche Battalion, 7th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 8th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
                  1st Marche Battalion, 201st North African Pioneer Infantry Regiment
                  1st Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  2nd Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  3rd Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  5th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  8th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  9th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  10th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  11th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  17th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
                  207th Moroccan Far East Rifle Marche Battalion
                  214th Moroccan Far East Battalion
                  "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                  • #10
                    Infantry part II

                    Senegalese/Central Africans

                    Marche Battalion, 13th Senegalese Rifle Regiment
                    24th Senegalese Rifle Marche Regiment
                    26th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    27th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    28th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    29th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    30th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    31st Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    32nd Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
                    104th Senegalese Battalion
                    4th Battalion, Chad Marche Regiment
                    1st French East African Marche Battalion (West?)
                    2nd French Central African Marche Battalion
                    3rd French East African Marche Battalion (West?)

                    Indochinese

                    1st Tonkin Rifle Regiment
                    Cambodian Composite Battalion
                    Marche Battalion, 4th Tonkin Rifle Regiment
                    Annam Battalion
                    Saigon-Cholon Garrison Battalion
                    1st Far East Marche Battalion
                    2nd Far East Marche Battalion
                    3rd Far East Marche Battalion
                    4th Far East Marche Battalion
                    5th Far East Marche Battalion
                    6th Far East Marche Battalion
                    7th Far East Marche Battalion
                    1st Indochina Marche Battalion
                    2nd Indochina Marche Battalion
                    3rd Indochina Marche Battalion

                    Muongs

                    1st Muong Battalion
                    2nd Muong Battalion

                    Thais

                    1st Thai Battalion
                    2nd Thai Battalion
                    3rd Thai Battalion

                    Laotians

                    1st Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    2nd Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    3rd Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    4th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    5th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    6th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    7th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    8th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
                    Phnom Penh Garrison Battalion


                    Groupes Mobiles

                    GM 1 (N African)
                    GM 2 (N African/Paras)
                    GM 3 (N African/Senegalese)
                    GM 4 (BMI/FFL)
                    GM 5
                    GM 6 (Fought at DBP)
                    GM 7 (Vietnamese)
                    GM 8
                    GM 9 (Fought at DBP)
                    GM 10 (N African)
                    GM 11 (Vietnamese)
                    GM 14
                    GM 21 (Vietnamese)
                    GM 32 (Vietnamese)
                    GM 42 (Montagnard)
                    GM 51 (N African)
                    GM 100 (Korea Regiment)


                    The Groupes Mobiles are not an addition to the CEFEO TO&E. They are just regimental teams created out of the battalions listed above. The french combined different units into different GMs as the war went on.
                    The Groupes Mobiles had 3 infantry battalions assigned; one Colonial infantry, the other two were N African/ Central African/Vietnamese. Unit was motorized with usually a squadron of armor. Also a battalion of artillery.
                    The pure Vietnamese AVN units are noted.
                    "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                    • #11
                      A couple of links to PDfs for this time period.

                      First is -A Translation from the French Lessons of the War in Indochina, Volume 2
                      Victor J. Croizat- Very large

                      http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM5271/

                      Second is -The French Campaign Against the FLN
                      Constantin Melnik- Algeria

                      http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM5449/

                      Regroupment, Withdrawals, and Transfers-Vietnam:
                      1954-1955, Part I

                      http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM6163/
                      Last edited by craine; 02 Dec 05, 08:17. Reason: found another
                      "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                      • #12
                        Deployment Dates for Armor/Armored Cavalry

                        1st Armored Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 1/46; repatriated & disbanded in 1955.
                        4th Dragoon Regiment-Arrived 3/47; repatriated at end of hostilities.
                        5th Armored Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 2/46; repatriated at end of hostilities.
                        8th Algerian Spahis Regiment-Arrived 4/49; disbanded at end of hostilities.
                        2nd Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Formed in 12/47; repatriated March 1955.
                        5th Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Arrived in 9/49; disbanded January 1955.
                        6th Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Arrived 2/49; repatriated August 1955.
                        1st Foreign Legion Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 1/47; repatriated at end of hostilities.

                        From 'Vietnam Tracks' by Simon Dunstan
                        "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                        • #13
                          Battle Honors of the Marine Amphibian X. The French Indochina War (1946–1954)
                          by Col Victor J. Croizat, USMC(Ret)

                          France had ended World War II a devastated country, its infrastructure shattered and its economy drained by years of occupation and war. It was able, however, to reestablish control over southern Vietnam. Although the Expeditionary Corps that arrived in Saigon in September 1945 was austere, its personnel were imbued with an innovative, can-do/make-do attitude. This was particularly apparent in the Naval Brigade, which modified veteran landing craft to create naval assault divisions, the famed dinassauts, that were effectively used on the waterways of the Tonkin and Mekong deltas where most of the people live. To complement the dinassauts’ capabilities, the Foreign Legion formed amphibious combat commands to operate on the wetlands of the deltas.

                          Late in 1947, the Foreign Legion’s 1st Cavalry Regiment was given the mission of denying the enemy the use of the Plain of Reeds, a vast transit zone between Cambodia and South Vietnam. Anticipating its wheeled vehicles would be useless in swampy terrain, the Legion obtained several American M29C “weasels” for testing. When these light tracked vehicles were seen to travel the Plain easily, 30 “crabs,” as the French called them, were procured for each of the regiment’s two squadrons. Soon after, crabs were roaming the Plain pursuing insurgents. That game was short-lived, however, for the Viet Minh quickly noted the vulnerability of single crabs with two-man crews operating beyond infantry support range, and began destroying them in increasing numbers. The French responded by restricting operations to two or more crabs with mounted infantry escort. But the crabs were incapable of carrying enough infantry to discourage enemy attack and the problem remained unsolved until the amtrac appeared.

                          The first LVT(4)s arrived in Indochina in October 1950 and were assigned to the 1st Cavalry Regiment for operational testing. This resulted in several organizational changes, culminating with the 1st Amphibious Group formed in April 1953. This unit included a “reconnaissance and rapid maneuver element” of 2 squadrons, each with 3 platoons of 10 crabs, and a “shock element” of 3 squadrons, each with 8 LVT(4)s embarking a light rifle company, and 3 LVT(A)4s for direct support. A separate platoon of six LVT(A)4s under group headquarters was provided for general support. A second amphibious group was formed shortly after for service in the north.

                          These groups had substantial firepower: fifteen 75mm howitzers in the LVT(A)4s, two machineguns in each crab and amtrac, and six 57mm recoilless guns and three 60mm mortars per squadron. The group also had the personnel and communications to operate as two subgroups. This flexibility, and the practice of carrying 3 days of supplies, provided the autonomy and endurance needed for long range operations. Although the group was remarkably versatile, it had limitations. Both amtracs and crabs often had to be moved by tank transporters to assembly points near operational operational areas. Further, the crab’s tracks were easily damaged and the amtracs bogged down in thick, heavy mud. But, when operations were planned with due regard for these factors, the Legion’s amphibious groups yielded spectacular results. They remain among the more innovative amtrac organizations ever conceived.
                          Last edited by craine; 18 Feb 06, 11:55.
                          "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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                          • #14
                            Keep up the good work Craine, I stickied your thread a while back to give it better exposure

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Boonierat
                              Keep up the good work Craine, I stickied your thread a while back to give it better exposure
                              Thanks Boonierat. RL has been delaying my posting.
                              "If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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