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  • Who are these blokes and what are they packing?

    So who are they?

    Why the funny hats?

    What sort of gat is that?



    Taken from 'Manhai's sensational Vietnam flickr album.

    Cheers

    Mick

  • #2
    Originally posted by Chippymick View Post
    So who are they?
    The Warriors of Red Diapers

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    • #3
      Period seems to be EARLY 1900's

      HANOI - Militaria
      Same (but larger pic) here

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/1347648...14910/sizes/o/


      About the same as these blokes - Question here would be who are the "colonial" blokes.
      TONKIN - HANOi - L'ENTREE DU CAMP DES TIRAILLEURS TONKINOIS

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/1347648...18254/sizes/o/


      Their Girl friends

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/1347648...88671/sizes/o/



      Last edited by KEN JENSEN; 15 Apr 10, 04:36.
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      • #4
        Thanks guys.

        What are the chances of both of them being wounded in both lower legs at the same time?

        Cheers

        Mick

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        • #5
          Tirailleurs... Forumy is the group of Vietnamese soldiers working for the West, also known as the soldiers set, they are under the command of French, other soldiers with the soldiers of the Vietnam Veterinary, under the command of the King Quan Vietnam .

          There are many types of soldiers Volume: soldiers in the provincial government, soldiers warehouse district known as the Green: tighten the waist belt is in the green jacket, only a thin ledge. Government troops of soldiers known as Indochina Dry (also tighten belts, too, but is red)

          click on thumbnails..



          http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...XcO8aQOK79zdAM

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonkinese_Rifles
          Last edited by sniper1946; 15 Apr 10, 04:42.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by altus View Post
            Dear Altus

            Why am I reminded of this old jokel

            A long time ago, Britain and France were at war.
            During one battle, the French captured an English major.
            Taking the major to their headquarters, the French general began to
            question him.

            The French general asked, "Why do you English officers all wear red
            coats? Don't you know the red material makes you easier targets for us to shoot at?"

            In his bland English way, the major informed the general that the
            reason English officers wear red coats is so that if they are shot,
            the blood won't show and the men they are leading won't panic.

            And that is why from that day to this, all French Army officers wear
            brown pants....




            Hermaphrodites?

            Regards

            Mick

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            • #7
              French Colonials Ken...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by sniper1946 View Post
                French Colonials Ken...
                Guaranteed to be completely savage at least once a month.

                Cheers

                Mick

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                • #9
                  They are Tonkinese or Annamite Tiraulleurs, which formed the bulk of "French" forces which garrisoned Indochina, and yes, they were part of the "Colonial Infantry" branch. The rifles are Lebels. I'll check my "Les Linh Tap" history on them published by Lavauzelle about ten years ago and give you the model later. (On the Nationalists side, the VNQDD proselytized heavily among the 4th RTT, and the result was the 1930 Yen Bay uprising, which concerned the French far more than the now much ballyhooed Nghe Tinh Soviet.)
                  dit: Lirelou

                  Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá ǵ!

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                  • #10
                    Back again. The uniforms shown are those used from 1879 until 1916, and occasionally thereafter for certain events marking French history in Indochina. The 'hat' was taken from a cone style had worn by Tagalog Cavalry in the 1858 campaign by the Franco-Spanish force in Danang (Tourane). There were some 18 models of it over the years, and it tended to grow flatter. It was finally discarded for a more conical headgear, and some European styles such as the Alpine troops oversized beret, and 'bonnets de police' resembling the US Army garrision cap.

                    It was a flat, woven disk that went on top of a headcloth. The last individual is wearing it without the 'neck cover', which is the floppy covering on the two nearer figures. The sandals were the "Ethiopian model" and the leggings (jambiers) consisted of a single triangular cloth that was wrapped around the calves above the ankle.

                    The French started recruiting locals in 1861, first among Catholics from the North who had resettled in the South (1954 was not the first exodus), and they were armed with Model 1822 flintlocks. Morale and pay problems caused a fair amount of desertions, and it wasn't until 1879 that an Annamese Tirailleur Regiment was raised, later giving rise to two regiments of "Annamese" Tirailleurs, four regiments of "Tonkinese" Tirailleurs, and a battalion of "Montagnard Tirailleurs from South Annam". The original of these carried colors with battle honors for Son Tay (!883), Bac Ninh (1884), Cambodia (1885), and Laos (1893-1895). The French also recruited a Regiment of Cambodian Tirailleurs, but only a single battalion was ever formed.

                    It was not all French NCOs and French officers. Indochinese NCOs and Officers were trained, but their numbers remained small, and French attitudes kept them subordinate to 'European' NCOs and Officers until WWII. Several later senior ARVN generals came out of the Tirailleurs.

                    With WWI, the French kept the RTA and RTI for service in Indochina, but formed 25 "Provisional Indochinese Battalions" (BMIs), numbered in that order, who served in all French theaters from Vladivostok to the Western Front. Five battalions served on the French Eastern Front (Hungary to the Balkans), seven battalions served on the Western Front (France), two battalions served in the French interior zone, and five performed Railroad security duties. One (Cambodian) served in Cambodia, One served in Djibouti, and two never left Indochina. Two others are unknown.

                    In the period between the wars, a number of Indochinese Tirailleur units served in Metropolitan France, though their designations ranged from 'Colonial Infantry" to "Colonial Machinegun" battalions. Likewise, the Colonial Infantry created 'mixed' units of European and Indochinese personnel, allowing the integration of 'tirailleurs' into such formations as the 19th, 16th, and 19th RMICs, and the 4th and 5th Colonial Artillery Regiments.

                    French defeat in 1940 caused the Indochinese military authorities to increase recruitment and integration, as no European replacements were received after the fall of France. That put Tirailleurs into such traditional "European" units as the 5th Foreign Legion Regiment.

                    I'll quit here, but the Tirailleurs were an important chapter in Vietnamese military history, and do not get the credit they deserve. They were the first Vietnamese to have really seen in mass France close up, and had discovered that the French were really no different from themselves. And that realization set Vietnam on the road to independence.
                    dit: Lirelou

                    Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá ǵ!

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                    • #11
                      Fantastic info Lirelou.

                      The rifle looks like a Berthier 1892 or 1902 model though.

                      Looks like they only made sandals for them in one size. Look at the guy on the right, the tall one. His feet come almost to the end of the sandals but the two shorter fellows sandals are looking for more toes.

                      Edit to add:

                      http://hinhxua.free.fr/autrefois/doc...quard_1_fr.htm

                      Dr. Hocquard took some great photos during the turn of the century. 7 or 8 pages worth here.
                      Last edited by Half Moon; 15 Apr 10, 18:59.
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                      • #12
                        Moon, good catch, it is the calibre that is Lebel, the weapons are Berthier. The French text merely say's 'Model".
                        dit: Lirelou

                        Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá ǵ!

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                        • #13
                          It's a treasure trove, I tell you!

                          OK, this is Vanessa Redgrave, looking quite tasty



                          1834-1838, Westminster, London, England, UK --- Actress Vanessa Redgrave (left) addresses an estimated 20,000 demonstrators massed in Trafalgar Square for anti-Vietnam war rally. Miss Redgrave wears a crepe band around her head, which she described as the traditional Vietnamese sign of mourning. The demonstrators later marched to the U.S. Embassy. --- Image by © Bettmann/CORBIS


                          My question for those who are across the cultural stuff is this bit.

                          Miss Redgrave wears a crepe band around her head, which she described as the traditional Vietnamese sign of mourning


                          True or not true?


                          Regards


                          Mick

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                          • #14
                            head band? here is that news piece..
                            http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2818967.stm

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                            • #15
                              Hi chippy, this site may be of interest to view the past, some nice video clips, enjoy, ray..
                              http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=45122

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