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    Received this as a posting from Blacklions forum...Thought I'd share with you HISTORY folks.



    Vietnam Facts vs. Fiction.

    The most notable fact is that 2.7 million Americans actually served in
    The Vietnam Theater of war.

    In the last census nearly 14 million Americans claimed they served in Vietnam .

    Four out of five are lying. I wonder why.

    Vietnam Facts vs. Fiction

    For over 30 years I, like many Vietnam veterans, seldom spoke
    Of Vietnam , except with other veterans, when training soldiers, and in
    Public speeches. These past five years I have joined the hundreds of
    Thousands who believe it is high time the truth be told about the
    Vietnam War and the people who served there. It's time the American
    People learn that the United States military did not lose the War, and
    That a surprisingly high number of people who claim to have served
    There, in fact, DID NOT.

    As Americans, support the men and women involved in the War on
    Terrorism. The mainstream media is once again working tirelessly to
    Undermine their efforts and force a psychological loss or stalemate for
    The United States . We cannot stand by and let the media do to today's
    Warriors what they did to us 35 years ago. Below are some assembled
    Facts most readers will find interesting. It isn't a long read, but it
    Will....I guarantee....teach you some things you did not know about the
    Vietnam War and those who served, fought, or died there. Please share
    It with those with whom you communicate. Capt. Marshal Hanson, U.S.N.R
    (Ret.) Capt. Scott Beaton, Statistical Source

    Vietnam War Facts: Facts, Statistics, Fake Warrior Numbers, and Myths Dispelled

    9,087,000 (Million) military personnel served on active duty
    During the official Vietnam era from August 5, 1964 to May 7, 1975.
    2,709,918 Americans served in uniform in Vietnam Veterans represented 9.7% of their generation.
    240 men were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War

    1. The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He
    Was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was
    Named for him.

    2. 58,148 were killed in Vietnam

    3. 75,000 were severely disabled.

    4. 23,214 were 100% disabled.

    5. 5,283 lost limbs.

    6. 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

    7. Of those killed, 61% were younger than 21.

    8. 11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

    9. Of those killed, 17,539 were married.

    10. Average age of men killed: 23.1 years.

    11. Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

    12. The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

    13. As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War.

    14. 97% of Vietnam Veterans were honorably discharged.

    15. 91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served.

    16. 74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

    17. Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

    18. Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

    19. 87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem.

    20. There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans
    And non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group (Source: Veterans
    Administration Study)

    21. Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only
    One-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for
    Crimes.

    22. 85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

    23. Interesting Census Stats and "Been There" Wanabees:

    A. 1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as
    Of August, 1995 (census figures). B. During that same Census count,
    The number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was:
    9,492,958.

    24. As of the current Census taken during August, 2000, the
    Surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511.
    This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00.
    That's 390 per day.

    24. During this Census count, the number of Americans falsely
    Claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census,
    FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not.

    25. The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index
    Officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors
    That 2,709,918 U.S. Military personnel as having served in-country.
    Corrections and confirmations to this erroneous index resulted in the
    addition of 358 U.S. Military personnel confirmed to have served in
    Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All
    names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).

    26. Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced
    torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while
    Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media
    mention at all. The United States sought to minimize and prevent
    attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a
    centerpiece of its strategy.

    27. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison
    sentences while Communists who did so received commendations. From
    1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725
    Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on
    leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives o f
    the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school
    teachers. - Nixon Presidential Papers.


    Common Myths Dispelled:

    #1. Myth: Common Belief is that most Vietnam veterans were
    drafted. Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers.
    2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately
    70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.

    #2. Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam
    veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam
    veteran population. Fact: Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a
    better estimate. "The CDC Vietnam Experience Study Mortality
    Assessment showed that during the first 5 years after discharge, deaths
    from suicide were 1.7 times more likely among Vietnam veterans than
    non-Vietnam veterans. After that initial post-service period, Vietnam
    veterans were no more likely to die from suicide than non-Vietnam
    veterans. In fact, after the 5-year post-service period, the rate of
    suicides is less in the Vietnam veterans' group.

    #3.Myth: Common belief is that a disproportionate number of
    blacks were killed in the Vietnam War. Fact: 86% of the men who died
    in Vietnam were Caucasians, 12.5% were black, and 1.2% was other
    races. Sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler, in
    their recently published book "All That We Can Be," said they analyzed
    the claim that blacks were used like cannon fodder during Vietnam "and
    can report definitely that this charge is untrue. Black fatalities
    amounted to 12 percent of all Americans killed in Southeast Asia , a
    figure proportional to the number of blacks in the U.S. Population at
    the time and slightly lower than the proportion of blacks in the Army
    at the close of the war."


    #4 Myth: Common belief is that the war was fought largely by
    the poor and uneducated. Fact: Servicemen who went to Vietnam from
    well-to-do areas had a slightly elevated risk of dying because they
    were more likely to be pilots or infantry officers. Vietnam Veterans
    were the best educated forces our nation had ever sent into combat.
    79% had a high school education or better. Here are statistics from
    the Combat Area Casualty File (CACF) as of November 1993. The CACF is
    the basis for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial (The Wall): Average age of
    58,148 killed in Vietnam was 23.11 years. (Although 58,169 names are
    in the Nov. 93 database, only 58,148 have both event date and birth
    date. Event date is used instead of declared dead date for some of
    those who were listed as missing in action) Deaths Average Age Total:
    58,148, 23.11 years Enlisted: 50,274, 22.37 years Officers: 6,598,
    28.43 years Warrants: 1,276, 24.73 years E1 525, 20.34 years 11B MOS:
    18,465, 22.55 years

    #5 Myth: The common belief is the average age of an infantryman
    fighting in Vietnam was 19. Fact: Assuming KIAs accurately represented
    age groups serving in Vietnam , the average age of an infantryman (MOS
    11B) serving in Vietnam to be 19 years old is a myth, it is actually
    22. None of the enlisted grades have an average age of less than 20.
    The average man who fought in World War II was 26 years of age.

    #6 Myth: The Common belief is that the domino theory was proved
    false. Fact: The domino theory was accurate. The ASEAN (Association
    of Southeast Asian Nations) countries, Philippines , Indonesia ,
    Malaysia , Singapore , and Thailand stayed free of Communism because of
    the U.S. commitment to Vietnam . The Indonesians threw the Soviets out
    in 1966 because of Americas commitment in Vietnam . Without that
    commitment, Communism would have swept all the way to the Malacca
    Straits that is south of Singapore and of great strategic importance to
    the free world. If you ask people who live in these countries that won
    the war in Vietnam , they have a different opinion from the American
    news media. The Vietnam War was the turning point for Communism.

    #7 Myth: The common belief is that the fighting in Vietnam was not
    as intense as in World War II. Fact: The average infantryman in the
    South Pacific during World War II saw about 40 days of combat in four
    years. The average infantryman in Vietnam saw about 240 days of combat
    in one year thanks to the mobility of the helicopter. One out of every
    10 Americans who served in Vietnam was a casualty.. 58,148 were killed
    and 304,000 wounded out of 2.7 million who served. Although the
    percent that died is similar to other wars, amputations or crippling
    wounds were 300 percent higher than in World War II ...75,000 Vietnam
    veterans are severely disabled. MEDEVAC helicopters flew nearly
    500,000 missions. Over 900,000 patients were airlifted (nearly half
    were American). The average time lapse between wounding to
    hospitalization was less than one hour. As a result, less than one
    percent of all Americans wounded, who survived the f first 24 hours,
    died. The helicopter provided unprecedented mobility. Without the
    helicopter it would have taken three times as many troops to secure the
    800 mile border with Cambodia and Laos (the politicians thought the
    Geneva Conventions of 1954 and the Geneva Accords or 1962 would secure
    the border).

    #8 Myth: Kim Phuc, the little nine year old Vietnamese girl
    running naked from the napalm strike near Trang Bang on 8 June
    1972.....shown a million times on American television....was burned by
    Americans bombing Trang Bang. Fact: No American had involvement in
    this incident near Trang Bang that burned Phan Thi Kim Phuc. The
    planes doing the bombing near the village were VNAF (Vietnam Air Force)
    and were being flown by Vietnamese pilots in support of South
    Vietnamese troops on the ground. The Vietnamese pilot who dropped the
    napalm in error is currently living in the United States . Even the AP
    photographer, Nick Ut, who took the picture, was Vietnamese. The
    incident in the photo took place on the second day of a three day
    battle between the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) who occupied the village
    of Trang Bang and the ARVN (Army of the Republic of Vietnam ) who were
    trying to force the NVA out of the village. Recent reports in the news
    media that an American commander ordered the air strike that burned Kim
    Phuc are incorrect. There were no Americans involved in any capacity.
    "We (Americans) had nothing to do with controlling VNAF," according to
    Lieutenant General (Ret) James F. Hollingsworth, the Commanding
    General of TRAC at that time. Also, it has been incorrectly reported
    that two of Kim Phuc's brothers were killed in this incident. They
    were Kim's cousins not her brothers.

    #9 Myth: The United States lost the war in Vietnam . Fact: The
    American military was not defeated in Vietnam . The American military
    did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint,
    it was almost an unprecedented performance. General Westmoreland
    quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at the University of California ,
    Berkley a major military defeat for the VC and NVA.


    FACT: THE UNITED STATES DID NOT LOSE THE WAR IN VIETNAM , THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE DID. Read on........


    The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the
    American military left Vietnam . The last American troops departed in
    their entirety 29 March 1973.


    FACT: How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting?
    We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in
    Paris on 27 January 1973.

    * It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of
    U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and
    a commitment to peaceful reunification.

    *The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon
    consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT
    American military running for their lives.

    *There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia
    (primarily Cambodia ) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in
    1975 then there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in
    Vietnam .

    *Thanks for the perceived loss and the countless assassinations
    and torture visited upon Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians goes
    mainly to the American media and their undying
    support-by-misrepresentation of the anti-War movement in the United
    States.

    *As with much of the Vietnam War, the news media misreported and
    misinterpreted the 1968 Tet Offensive. It was reported as an
    overwhelming success for the Communist forces and a decided defeat for
    the U.S. Forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite
    initial victories by the Communists forces, the Tet Offensive resulted
    in a major defeat of those forces. General Vo Nguyen Giap, the
    designer of the Tet Offensive, is considered by some as ranking with
    Wellington , Grant, Lee and MacArthur as a great commander. Still,
    militarily, the Tet Offensive was a total defeat of the Communist
    forces on all fronts. It resulted in the death of some 45,000 NVA
    troops and the complete, if not total destruction of the Viet Cong
    elements in South Vietnam . The Organization of the Viet Cong Units in
    the South never recovered. The Tet Offensive succeeded on only one
    front and that was the News front and the political arena. ;
    This was another example in the Vietnam War of an inaccuracy becoming
    the perceived truth. However, inaccurately reported, the News Media
    made the Tet Offensive famous.

    Please give all credit and research to: Capt. Marshal Hanson, U.S.N.R (Ret.) Capt. Scott Beaton, Statistical Source
    1st ID, 1/28th '67/'68 Phouc Vinh & Quan Loi
    Skirmishes Bu Dop Dec-67, An My, Thu Duc Feb-68
    Plt. Ldr - CIB, Purple Hearts, Silver Star
    What we write can be considered to be a reflection of our SOUL providing others to know our CHARACTER.

  • #2
    I believe the US Congress lost the war, if the South Vietmanese would of received the same support in 1975 that they got in 1972, I believe they might of repelled the the North's invasion in 1975.
    I guess one might say that the Watergate scandal which forced President Nixon to resign in August, 1974 sealed South Vietnam's fate, especially with the democratic controlled Congress, which cut off funding in 1974.

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    • #3
      Ken:

      Thanks for the post, always interesting to read facts about something.
      "If you are right, then you are right even if everyone says you are wrong. If you are wrong then you are wrong even if everyone says you are right." William Penn.

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      • #4
        His 'fact' about the domino theory and Indonesia is highly suspect, but the stats he reproduces on the education and age of men serving in Vietnam - if accurate - certainly overturn what I had believed.
        A massive attack...a brigade against an army...three nights of battle...an unforgettable tragedy.
        Sixty years later, the full story is told at last:
        http://tothelastround.wordpress.com/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Andy_S View Post
          His 'fact' about the domino theory and Indonesia is highly suspect, ... ...
          Tugged a little on my curiosity here Andy.

          I personally believe that the main reason we went into Vietnam was based HEAVILY on the Domino Theory. With that said, I also believe because we were taking somewhat of a stand in Vietnam vs. U.S.S.R (and China) it certainly changed/prevented other countries in the area from falling to Communism. SO, IMHO I'm curious as how you may question the facts presented (unless your "nick picking" on the named countries in his list) - Fact being, the Domino Theory was sound and probably CORRECT.

          ** Note the Domino Theory was not a new concept. See the Truman Doctrine and the reasons for NATO and SEATO and yes, I believe the main reason we entered into the KOREA mess may also have been based on the Domino Theory (What would have been the next target country after Korea fell?). U.S. goals after WWII were to stop the spread of Communism any place in the world - (Stalin and his successors - and China seemed to have had big appetites, go figure!).


          As to other thoughts (of mine and others) re: Domino Theory see the below, and especially my three additional links within the below link...
          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...ry#post1447043




          The following also raised my curiosity...

          ... but the stats he reproduces on the education and age of men serving in Vietnam - if accurate - certainly overturn what I had believed.

          At the time, I was 27 and not a Draftee (and had a little college). Most the troops serving in Vietnam were not "young", "uneducated" Draftees (so to speak).

          So, just what did you believe (re: Education, Age) and , more importantly, why did you believe it?

          P.S. Here is something re: Education/Age I posted a year ago....

          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...68#post1211766






          Last edited by KEN JENSEN; 05 Apr 10, 08:09.
          1st ID, 1/28th '67/'68 Phouc Vinh & Quan Loi
          Skirmishes Bu Dop Dec-67, An My, Thu Duc Feb-68
          Plt. Ldr - CIB, Purple Hearts, Silver Star
          What we write can be considered to be a reflection of our SOUL providing others to know our CHARACTER.

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          • #6
            I think most of old retired types saw the original "Myths" post several times over the past few years. And it does have quite a few good tidbits in it which have been raised again and again over the years.

            However, the 'facts' mustered against Myth #9 are a slim peg to hang any hat on. To state that the U.S. did not 'lose' the Vietnam War is akin to a Superbowl game where the Offensive line of one's side walks off the field in the 3rd quarter of the game, and says: "Defensive line, it all yours now." The Defensive Line takes the heat for the loss, and the Offensive line sits back and tells itself that "Hey, that loss in the Superbowl wasn't ours. When we were on the field, we never failed to get the ball through."

            Yet at our Command and General Staff Colleges, and War Colleges, we drill one fact into our future Quarterbacks heads: War is an extension of politics. And by politics, Big "Claus" means policy.

            We lost 58 thousand lives, and we walked off the field before the task was done. Why we did so still rankles most of us here. But the underlying fact remains that our withdrawal and subsequent failure to live up to our promises to an ally under invasion was a defeat of both our national policy, and our stated aims in Indochina since 1950. Anyone who cannot see that has blinders on.
            dit: Lirelou

            Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá ǵ!

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            • #7
              Hi. Would just like to know what's being done for the 1875 who are unaccounted for?
              "We have no white flag."

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              • #8
                Ken,

                I think a lot of those guys that claimed to have "served" in Viet Nam actually were in the Army, just at other places in that period. One of my cousins enlisted and got an MOS in Signals and spent his entire enlistment in Ethiopia! I asked if he was not afraid of being shipped to the Pearl of the Orient and was told by family "No, he enlisted. The Army takes care of the guys that signed up for valuable MOS."

                This does not mean the family member was correct, it just means my cousin was confident of where he was going. Lots of guys served in Korea, Germany, Italy and other places. My Brother in Law broke his leg in Basic (What do you mean your leg is broke? It ain't broke until it sticks out!). He spent the rest of his two years working in the Hospital at Fort Polk.

                Pruitt
                Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

                Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

                by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GMan88 View Post
                  Hi. Would just like to know what's being done for the 1875 who are unaccounted for?
                  http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lirelou View Post
                    I think most of old retired types saw the original "Myths" post several times over the past few years. And it does have quite a few good tidbits in it which have been raised again and again over the years.

                    However, the 'facts' mustered against Myth #9 are a slim peg to hang any hat on. To state that the U.S. did not 'lose' the Vietnam War is akin to a Superbowl game where the Offensive line of one's side walks off the field in the 3rd quarter of the game, and says: "Defensive line, it all yours now." The Defensive Line takes the heat for the loss, and the Offensive line sits back and tells itself that "Hey, that loss in the Superbowl wasn't ours. When we were on the field, we never failed to get the ball through."

                    Yet at our Command and General Staff Colleges, and War Colleges, we drill one fact into our future Quarterbacks heads: War is an extension of politics. And by politics, Big "Claus" means policy.

                    We lost 58 thousand lives, and we walked off the field before the task was done. Why we did so still rankles most of us here. But the underlying fact remains that our withdrawal and subsequent failure to live up to our promises to an ally under invasion was a defeat of both our national policy, and our stated aims in Indochina since 1950. Anyone who cannot see that has blinders on.

                    Basically I agree with you Lou. His #9 does have a lot of "spin".

                    I sure feel (as a Country) we lost the Vietnam War. We certainly didn't prevent it falling into Communist hands. And then again, I also feel we won a somewhat larger concept associated with the "Domino Theory" - many folks remain somewhat free today because of our effort in Vietnam (I feel this is probably what has allowed me to maintain my sanity over the years)!



                    Last edited by KEN JENSEN; 05 Apr 10, 10:51.
                    1st ID, 1/28th '67/'68 Phouc Vinh & Quan Loi
                    Skirmishes Bu Dop Dec-67, An My, Thu Duc Feb-68
                    Plt. Ldr - CIB, Purple Hearts, Silver Star
                    What we write can be considered to be a reflection of our SOUL providing others to know our CHARACTER.

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                    • #11
                      Black Lion died of a liver fluke in 1972.

                      Indonesian Communist party was wiped out in 1965. For PKI it was more snakes and ladders than dominos.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eddie3rar View Post
                        Black Lion died of a liver fluke in 1972.

                        Indonesian Communist party was wiped out in 1965. For PKI it was more snakes and ladders than dominos.
                        OK, if you say so Eddie - I probably give WIKI more credence than your above "tid-bit" of info.

                        Post-1965 developments
                        In spite of initial sporadic resistance, PKI stood paralysed after the 1965-1966 killings. In September 1966 the remnants of the party politburo issued a statement of self-criticism, criticizing the previous cooperation with the Sukarno regime.
                        After the killings of Aidit and Njoto, Sudisman took over party leadership. In 1967 he was sentenced to death.
                        Some cadres of PKI had taken refuge in Blitar, Eastern Java, following the crackdown on the party. Amongst the leaders present were the youth leader Sukatno, the deputy chairman of SOBSI, Ruslan Widjayasastra and Professor Iskandar Subekti, assistant to Aidit. Blitar was an underdeveloped area were PKI had strong support amongst the peasantry. The military was unaware that PKI had been able to consolidate itself there. But in March 1968 violence erupted in Blitar, as local peasants attacked leaders and cadres of Nahdatul Ulama, as a revenge for the role it had played in anticommunist persecutions. Around 60 NU cadres were killed. It is however unlikely that the killings of NU cadres in Blitar had been conducted on the orders of PKI.[citation needed] The military became aware of the PKI enclave and crushed it. Sukatno, Ruslan and Iskandar Subekti were captured and sentenced to death....

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communi...5_developments


                        P.S. SEATO came about in 1954 and was formed basically due to Domino thinking and organizations such as PKI and whatever China, U.S.S.R and Mr "HO" himself were thinking.


                        1st ID, 1/28th '67/'68 Phouc Vinh & Quan Loi
                        Skirmishes Bu Dop Dec-67, An My, Thu Duc Feb-68
                        Plt. Ldr - CIB, Purple Hearts, Silver Star
                        What we write can be considered to be a reflection of our SOUL providing others to know our CHARACTER.

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                        • #13
                          Thank you for that post about facts and the myths of Vietnam..I have nothing but respect and admiration for all those who served..I don't contribute much to the Vietnam forum but I am an avid reader to all the threads and posts here..
                          "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."- Sir Winston Churchill, about R.A.F. fighter pilots."
                          "It is well that war is so terrible, else we grow to fond of it." - Robert E. Lee

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                          • #14
                            For my family it was 50% drafted, 50% not. One cousin was drafted into the Army and went to Nam as a helicopter mechanic. My dad, of course, was career USAF NCO. But I'd not place either man as poor or uneducated.

                            Cousin was a high school graduate and dad had a GED. I too also remember going down to Fort Benning to visit him in BT that the majority of his training company was white. But then being an Air Force brat I was 'color blind' back then. Just my .00002 cents worth and not worth anything.
                            Eagles may fly; but weasels aren't sucked into jet engines!

                            "I'm not expendable; I'm not stupid and I'm not going." - Kerr Avon, Blake's 7

                            What didn't kill us; didn't make us smarter.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lirelou View Post
                              I think most of old retired types saw the original "Myths" post several times over the past few years. And it does have quite a few good tidbits in it which have been raised again and again over the years.

                              However, the 'facts' mustered against Myth #9 are a slim peg to hang any hat on. To state that the U.S. did not 'lose' the Vietnam War is akin to a Superbowl game where the Offensive line of one's side walks off the field in the 3rd quarter of the game, and says: "Defensive line, it all yours now." The Defensive Line takes the heat for the loss, and the Offensive line sits back and tells itself that "Hey, that loss in the Superbowl wasn't ours. When we were on the field, we never failed to get the ball through."

                              Yet at our Command and General Staff Colleges, and War Colleges, we drill one fact into our future Quarterbacks heads: War is an extension of politics. And by politics, Big "Claus" means policy.

                              We lost 58 thousand lives, and we walked off the field before the task was done. Why we did so still rankles most of us here. But the underlying fact remains that our withdrawal and subsequent failure to live up to our promises to an ally under invasion was a defeat of both our national policy, and our stated aims in Indochina since 1950. Anyone who cannot see that has blinders on.
                              If you wish to equate this to a football game I would not say the offensive line blamed the defensive side. I'd say that at the last 2 minute warning the owner of one team fired 90 % of the team, sidelined the coachs and refused to play, rather he just took his football and went home proclaiming "Peace With Honor" before the game was over. The owner of course being the slimey politicians in Washington. They are the ones who caused the sacrifices of lives and limbs without any conscience or moral value.
                              "If you are right, then you are right even if everyone says you are wrong. If you are wrong then you are wrong even if everyone says you are right." William Penn.

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