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    July 3, 1965: Intelligence sources say that the Soviet Union has been making large deliveries to ports in Haiphong, possibly including MiG-21 supersonic jet fighters and SA-2 Guideline (SAM-2) air defense systems. At this point, the Hanoi-Haiphong area has been off-limits to U.S. bombers.

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    OK. It's good you started a thread, but where do you intend for it to go, or what do you want to discuss?
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      I only mean to post information that people will find interesting. If anyone has additional insight or knowledge to share, that would be great.

      I hope that I'm not disrupting the way that the forum is supposed to work.

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      • #4
        Wasn't it common knowledge the USSR was supporting North Vietnam? China as well?

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        • #5
          Yes, although supersonic jet fighters and surface-to-air missiles represented an upgrade, presumably in reaction to the U.S. bombing campaign over North Vietnam. Here's a good reference:

          In February 1965 Soviet Premier Aleksei N. Kosygin visited Hanoi, accompanied by Air Chief Marshal Konstantin Vershinin, who was commander in chief of the Soviet air force and a deputy defense minister. A joint communique issued at the conclusion of his visit on February 10 announced that the two. governments had signed an agreement on measures for strengthening Hanoi's "defense potential." After returning to Moscow, Premier Kosygin said that his government had already taken necessary steps to implement the agreement. It appeared that the Soviet military aid consisted mainly of surface-to-air missiles (SAM's), jet fighters and technical advisers.
          From https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...china-ussr.htm

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          • #6
            I'm sure you can add a few USSR pilots too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MrSerious View Post
              July 3, 1965: Intelligence sources say that the Soviet Union has been making large deliveries to ports in Haiphong, possibly including MiG-21 supersonic jet fighters and SA-2 Guideline (SAM-2) air defense systems. At this point, the Hanoi-Haiphong area has been off-limits to U.S. bombers.
              Yes. That is interesting. But I am sure that the intelligence services of the U.S. armed forces and other U.S. government instrumentalities were aware that the Soviet Union would send anti-aircraft weaponry to the North Vietnamese, sooner or later. And has been mentioned before, the Soviets probably even sent a few pilots along to engage in the air defence of the DRVN. North Vietnam's air-defence capability steadily increased through the course of the war and made life interesting for U.S. military aviators flying missions into the DRVN.
              在魔鬼和深蓝色的海洋之间. 悪魔と深海の間. Carpe hunc diem.

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              • #8
                As stated above as the war progressed the NVA and also the VC were being supplied more and more AA capabilities as far as the weapons themselves and the amount of them. The site below says one of the variants needed a 6 man crew and the missile could obtain an altitude of 60,000 feet. This could even endanger the B-52 Arc light sorties which typically flew missions at 20,000-25,000 feet. I believe (could be wrong) that the B-52 maximum ceiling altitude was 50,000 feet so could still be reached by the SA-2/S-75 Dvina SAM.

                https://www.militaryfactory.com/armo...p?armor_id=133


                The following site has some interesting details of the Soviet/Chinese involvement in the delivery and set-up/advisory provided for the SAM system SA-2/Dvina-75.

                https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...nva-ad-sam.htm

                See this site for some statistics of B-52's shot down during sorties over North Vietnam.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II
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