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  • Comparison of Belligerents' Foreign Policies

    The usual practice on the different message boards and among some published authors is to vilify Napoleon and France for her aggressiveness and empire building in Europe.

    But what of the other warring nations? Russia, Austria, and Prussia, along with Great Britain were all expanding empires and acted accordingly. They were enemies of France and launched coalition after coalition against France and later Napoleon undoubtedly because Napoleon took large chunks of territory when he was successful in 1805, 1806, 1807, and 1809-all wars which were begun by his enemies.

    But what of the territory claimed and taken by the allied powers. Great Britain greatly increased her overseas empire at the expense of the Dutch and French. Prussia and Austria both wanted to be dominant in Germany and Austria wanted northern Italy back. All three dismembered Poland during the Revolutionary Wars, and Russia warred against Sweden and Turkey, taking Finland and later the Duchy of Warsaw in 1814.

    Seems to me there is enough blame for the wars to go around and to lay the blame only on France the Napoleon is both ahistorical and logically incorrect.
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    France launched all of this by playing against the rules. If everybody makes war against you, it's certainly not a defensive war.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Emtos View Post
      France launched all of this by playing against the rules. If everybody makes war against you, it's certainly not a defensive war.
      I'm sorry, but could you clarify your posting? It is unclear what you're trying to convey.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Emtos View Post
        France launched all of this by playing against the rules. If everybody makes war against you, it's certainly not a defensive war.
        It's probably because you are being picked on because you are thinking 'out of the box': one leads and the rest follows. It's simple elementary schoolground behaviour. In fact, it's that way professionally as an adult too...you are too good, others get jealous and start picking on you or intriguing against you!
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        • #5
          I think this is due to the victor writing the history!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stratego View Post

            It's probably because you are being picked on because you are thinking 'out of the box': one leads and the rest follows. It's simple elementary schoolground behaviour. In fact, it's that way professionally as an adult too...you are too good, others get jealous and start picking on you or intriguing against you!
            France was causing a lot of trouble to other European countries. Nobody wanted to be touched by the revolution and terror nor nobody wanted to be subjugated to Bonaparte.
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            • #7
              Many did not want to belong to Austria, Russia, and Prussia either. The lesser German states did not want to be ingested by either Austria or Prussia, and the Poles did not want to belong to Russia, for example.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                German states or Poland didn't changed the balance between great powers. France on the other hand was the most powerful country on the continent.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  Many did not want to belong to Austria, Russia, and Prussia either. The lesser German states did not want to be ingested by either Austria or Prussia, and the Poles did not want to belong to Russia, for example.
                  It was not just Napoleon either, the French revolutionary armies were already expanding French territory before Bonaparte made a name for himself, and long before he became Napoleon.

                  Here in Belgium, but also the Rhineland and Italy, Switzerland too I think.

                  As had the French kings been doing/trying for centuries, obviously.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post



                    As had the French kings been doing/trying for centuries, obviously.
                    Louis XIV in particular
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                    • #11
                      Expansion of France GIF. Bit blink and you miss it for Revolutionary France and Napoleon though

                      400px-French_borders_from_985_to_1947.gif

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Emtos View Post
                        German states or Poland didn't changed the balance between great powers. France on the other hand was the most powerful country on the continent.
                        Balance of power hah ...once Napoleon was off the map, where did the balance of power go you think? To Great Britain...the Napoleonic Wars was nothing more than a struggle between France and Great Britain...and all the other European monarchs were sucked into the game believing they were doing it for the good of mankind
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                        It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                        Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

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                        • #13
                          Well, Russia did benefit massively from its victory in the Napoleonic wars. In tandem with Austria it became the arbiter of continental European politics. Russian and Austrian bayonets jointly put down liberal revolutions all over western Europe.

                          It ended like it did because Napoleon could find no recurse for how to settle with the UK. And as a result of that British victory it made Europe safe monarchical absolutism for another generation, while reaffirming the empires that were "the prisons of nations".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                            Well, Russia did benefit massively from its victory in the Napoleonic wars. In tandem with Austria it became the arbiter of continental European politics. Russian and Austrian bayonets jointly put down liberal revolutions all over western Europe.

                            It ended like it did because Napoleon could find no recurse for how to settle with the UK. And as a result of that British victory it made Europe safe monarchical absolutism for another generation, while reaffirming the empires that were "the prisons of nations".
                            And in the end, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic spirit won from the conservative European monarchs...it was a force that simply could not be stopped. Ultimately the Revolutionary spririt won - you can't stop progress!

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                            It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.- Herman Melville

                            Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stratego View Post

                              Balance of power hah ...once Napoleon was off the map, where did the balance of power go you think? To Great Britain...the Napoleonic Wars was nothing more than a struggle between France and Great Britain...and all the other European monarchs were sucked into the game believing they were doing it for the good of mankind
                              There was no global war between great powers until WWI. 100 years is pretty good.
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