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  • Mystery Brown Bess Musket

    Just bought this at auction today for a snip at 160, only just starting to give it a gentle clean, its in extremely good condition for its age. Anyone any idea what pattern Brown Bess this is, what time frame it belongs to. There are some strange features that are not to be seen on the standard Long Land Pattern, which I think this is, only because of the length of the barrel at 45 inches. For example, the brass holding clip on the stock is unusual, as is the butt plate, the number of ramrod tubes and the touch hole is actually in the base of the flash pan rather than at the side of the barrel, any help much appreciated.



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    Your face book link doesn't work.
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      The action looks a bit small. Perhaps this is a 'parts gun'? as in built out of stray parts in a workshop? That doesn't mean it is not authentic, of course.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #4
        I'll wager that underneath that brass band you will find a join where the original fore end of the stock has been fashioned to fit the rear end of the stock which seems to be much newer. The trigger guard and lock-plate are all wrong, the butt-plate is too and you are missing the rear ram-rod pipe. The 45 inch barrel (should be 46 inch), ram-rod and forestock are probably from an original Long-land pattern brown Bess with a 'lash-up' rear end.

        Paul
        Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 04 May 16, 22:50.
        ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
        All human ills he can subdue,
        Or with a bauble or medal
        Can win mans heart for you;
        And many a blessing know to stew
        To make a megloamaniac bright;
        Give honour to the dainty Corse,
        The Pixie is a little shite.

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        • #5
          Thanks Dibble. Here's a close up of the lock with the usual Tower, engraving and GR cypher and crown, not sure if the link above was working. Opposite side as well.





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          • #6
            That is definitely not an original 'Bessy' lock.

            This is what it should look like. Though most Brown Bess' had 'Tower' on them they were also marked with other names and markings too



            Paul
            Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 05 May 16, 02:29.
            ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
            All human ills he can subdue,
            Or with a bauble or medal
            Can win mans heart for you;
            And many a blessing know to stew
            To make a megloamaniac bright;
            Give honour to the dainty Corse,
            The Pixie is a little shite.

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            • #7
              I know that's how a lock should look, thanks, but this one is different, it still has the crown and cypher, the Tower marking, the trigger guard is however steel and not brass, plus if you look at the photo of the reverse side, it missing some of the brass fittings, that's why its a mystery, plus the touch hole in the bottom of the flashpan and not at the side of the barrel is a very unusual arrangement.

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              • #8
                The engraving is amateurish, knocked up by someone in his garage on a lock assembly from another musket which wasn't a Brown Bess.

                I recommend this book:

                https://www.amazon.co.uk/Identificat...fication+guide

                Paul
                ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                All human ills he can subdue,
                Or with a bauble or medal
                Can win mans heart for you;
                And many a blessing know to stew
                To make a megloamaniac bright;
                Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                The Pixie is a little shite.

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                • #9
                  the cock and frizzen are very small and delicate, it looks like they were not designed for that lock, also the spring feather - compare to dibble's photo - I share my doubts with dibble.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                    The engraving is amateurish, knocked up by someone in his garage on a lock assembly from another musket which wasn't a Brown Bess.
                    Or the weapon could be a trade gun as were produced as cheaply as possible to be used for trade with local inhabitants in the Americas and Africa (for furs, slaves etc) These sometimes had fake, often crude, proof marks etc on them although quite often they had never been proofed and could be dangerous to the user. This would also explain some of the other anomalous features
                    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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