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  • The Bravest of the Brave.

    First read this as a kid, enjoying it just as much this time around...



    The long toll of the brave
    Is not lost in darkness
    Over the fruitful earth
    And athwart the seas
    Hath passed the light of noble deeds
    Unquenchable forever.

  • #2
    I have always enjoyed Delderfield's work, even though it's not the most accurate on the subject.

    His novels are also excellent.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      Same here m, 'Too few for Drums' and 'Seven Men of Gascony' have a lot to answer for...
      sowing the seed for a lifelong obsession!

      The long toll of the brave
      Is not lost in darkness
      Over the fruitful earth
      And athwart the seas
      Hath passed the light of noble deeds
      Unquenchable forever.

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      • #4
        Even after all these years it still made my blood boil when they shot Marshal Ney.



        The long toll of the brave
        Is not lost in darkness
        Over the fruitful earth
        And athwart the seas
        Hath passed the light of noble deeds
        Unquenchable forever.

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        • #5
          Agree-and he was not the only one the Bourbons murdered.

          Did you know that Ney shared his title 'Bravest of the Brave' with Lannes?
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            Agree-and he was not the only one the Bourbons murdered.

            Did you know that Ney shared his title 'Bravest of the Brave' with Lannes?
            Of all the governments that the coalition could have forced on France, they seem to have picked the worst.
            Maybe the political upheavals in France over the next 50 years were inevitable, but much of it probably could have been avoided by picking anyone to govern.
            Even Bernadotte.

            Ney should have left the country while he had a chance, but maybe he was no longer quite in his right mind.
            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
              Ney should have left the country while he had a chance, but maybe he was no longer quite in his right mind.
              I'm seriously wondering if any of them were in their right minds, including both His Grace and Boney. These blokes had spent almost their entire adult lives on campaign and in combat. We now know that nobody can do that without paying the price both physically and mentally.

              The long toll of the brave
              Is not lost in darkness
              Over the fruitful earth
              And athwart the seas
              Hath passed the light of noble deeds
              Unquenchable forever.

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              • #8
                Considering how badly Michel Ney handled Napolean's battlefield affairs at Waterloo, it's a failure on the part of the Bonapartists to rid themselves of Ney altogether before their 1815 campaign.

                Of course, selection of commanders for the Hundred Days had more to do with politics than competence on the battlefield. Ney could command the loyalty of the people under him. Pity his tactical acumen wasn't up to the same standard.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Von Richter View Post
                  I'm seriously wondering if any of them were in their right minds, including both His Grace and Boney. These blokes had spent almost their entire adult lives on campaign and in combat. We now know that nobody can do that without paying the price both physically and mentally.

                  A valid point, but Ney probably had it worse given his tendency to lead from the front. I do think he arguably tried to get himself killed at Waterloo.

                  While Wellington and Napoleon certainly exposed themselves to danger, it probably wasn't any where near what Ney did.
                  I am reading Cornwell's book on Waterloo and was surprised to see that Picton may have been suffering from PTSD as well.
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                  Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                    Considering how badly Michel Ney handled Napolean's battlefield affairs at Waterloo, it's a failure on the part of the Bonapartists to rid themselves of Ney altogether before their 1815 campaign.

                    Of course, selection of commanders for the Hundred Days had more to do with politics than competence on the battlefield. Ney could command the loyalty of the people under him. Pity his tactical acumen wasn't up to the same standard.
                    Ney was a poor choice for independent command, but he was where Napoleon could keep a close eye on him. Napoleon seemed to forget that Ney needed close direction.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                      Considering how badly Michel Ney handled Napolean's battlefield affairs at Waterloo, it's a failure on the part of the Bonapartists to rid themselves of Ney altogether before their 1815 campaign.

                      Of course, selection of commanders for the Hundred Days had more to do with politics than competence on the battlefield. Ney could command the loyalty of the people under him. Pity his tactical acumen wasn't up to the same standard.
                      I don't agree. Napoleon chose the independent commanders for the campaign with great care, such as Rapp and Suchet. And the corps commanders were picked for competence, rather than political reliability, witness Bourmont's betrayal and desertion, even though he was a division, and not a corps commander.

                      Napoleon's great handicap in Belgium was a replacement for Berthier, who was Napoleon's one indispensable marshal. Soult wasn't up to the assignment.

                      Davout, on the other hand, was picked because of two reasons-his undeniable loyalty to keep those who might be conspiring against the government in hand, and because of his administrative abilities (he also was against Bourmont being employed).

                      Ney joined the army four days before the campaign opened and was an unfortunate choice.
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                      Comment

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