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  • Battle of Quatre Bras

    Who won the battle? Wellington or Ney? Was it a draw?

    The focus of this thread is the tactical outcome of the battle.

    Let the games begin.
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    British minor tactical victory
    51.43%
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    French minor tactical victory
    17.14%
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    Draw
    31.43%
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    Last edited by Zouave; 12 Oct 12, 19:30.
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  • #2
    I'll go with a draw
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zouave View Post
      Who won the battle? Wellington or Ney? Was it a draw?

      The focus of this thread is the tactical outcome of the battle.

      Let the games begin.
      I would say Wellington, when Ney arrived at Quatre-Bras on the morning of 16 June, he comanded 19,000 Infantry facing a Dutch-Belgian force of 8,000holding the crossroads. Ney allowed himself to become passive and to over cautious believing that he was facing the undefeated Wellinton in person. Though Ney had missed his great opprotunity to breakthrough all the morning when his opponents were so weak, he did however prevent Wellinton from supporting Blucher against Napoleon at Ligny.

      http://www.greatmilitarybattles.com/...bonaparte.html

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      • #4
        Minor tactical victory for the British. At the end of the battle Wellington was still in control of the ground and had repulsed all attacks and recaptured any lost ground.

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        • #5
          A tactical French victory and an operational British victory.
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          • #6
            I agree with Nick it was a battle that went both ways.
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            • #7
              Short term it was a victory for the french but the in long term a victory for Wellington.

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              • #8
                Ney was denied Quatre Bras, thus allowing the later withdrawal of Wellington's troops to Mont St Jean after the Prussian defeat at Ligny (Which we could not reinforce).
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                • #9
                  Remembers Napoleon's comments on Ney when he arrived at QBras and saw the result

                  On a perdu La France

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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by peteratwar View Post
                      Remembers Napoleon's comments on Ney when he arrived at QBras and saw the result

                      On a perdu La France
                      Well Nappy's orders were for Ney to sweep all before him and take The crossroads of Quatre-Bras....A busted flush where those orders were concerned methinks!

                      Ney failed in his task and was beaten back

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                      All human ills he can subdue,
                      Or with a bauble or medal
                      Can win mans heart for you;
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                        Well Nappy's orders were for Ney to sweep all before him and take The crossroads of Quatre-Bras....A busted flush where those orders were concerned methinks!

                        Ney failed in his task and was beaten back

                        Paul
                        Give credit to Saxe-wimers brigade. At the start of the fight Ney could have easily seized the crossroads but thanks to there defence it gave him pause which was vital.

                        Another factor was D'Erlons corps marching to and fro between QB and Lingy but ended up being used at neither fight.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by History fan View Post
                          Give credit to Saxe-wimers brigade. At the start of the fight Ney could have easily seized the crossroads but thanks to there defence it gave him pause which was vital.

                          Another factor was D'Erlons corps marching to and fro between QB and Lingy but ended up being used at neither fight.
                          I don't need to give credit where it already lays, the fact is common knowledge.

                          The factor was that Ney's remit failed.

                          Paul
                          ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                          All human ills he can subdue,
                          Or with a bauble or medal
                          Can win mans heart for you;
                          And many a blessing know to stew
                          To make a megloamaniac bright;
                          Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                          The Pixie is a little shite.

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                          • #14
                            Allied defensive victory, the french offensive failed, Wellington retreated because of the prussian defeat at Ligny, not because he was defeated.
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                            • #15
                              The question is, can you focus on Quatre Bras alone? It does not make sense in my opinion, because the battle was close connected to that of Ligny...
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