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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Originally posted by alex33 View Post
    Thx for the quick reply! I really hope that its really both books in the first link. That they only write 426 pages was a bit weird to me. Why is some of the dialouge off-putting?
    Some of the captions are formed of Americanisms and other inappropriate wording. But seeing as the books were originally for the American market and edited by an American author, it is understandable why they are there. It's just that 'to me' they are inappropriate, especially when other American market books on the same subject, uses a more 'universal' English dialogue.

    A couple of examples on page 151, plate 44 'General of Brigade of Carabiniers. Part of the caption reads:

    "The General commanding them has donned their type of brass-coated cuirass and wears their distinctive helmet but with a black crest instead of their red ones. Being something of a dude, he has his stirrup straps and martingale in red leather

    and also on page 167, plate 9, Voltiguer 1812: "such aggresive runt's" And in plate 10, 1st Sergeant, regimental cannon company: "silver and red in his shako braiding and cords marks this topkick's grade."

    There are many more.

    Paul
    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 08 Mar 16, 05:25.

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  • alex33
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    Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
    Nothing, other than that the original editions (1993) were published with dust covers, the re-release, (2007) without dust covers, a picture of a colour plate stuck to the front cover but with a matching red slipcase. Volumes 1&2 426 pages each which equates to 852 pages.

    Volumes 3&4 'Vassals and Allies' editions (2000) are slimmer volumes and also have one plate per page throughout which will account for the 320 pages per volume layout which equates to 640 pages. Oh! these editions are published with dust-covers.

    I have all four volumes and though the dialogue to some of the plates are a tad off-putting, I can highly recommend them all.

    Paul
    Thx for the quick reply! I really hope that its really both books in the first link. That they only write 426 pages was a bit weird to me. Why is some of the dialouge off-putting?

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Originally posted by alex33 View Post
    As this is kinda related to the topic: i need your help folks.
    Can someone please tell me whats the difference between:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/185367...=9781853677373
    Says volume 1&2 only has 400 pages
    And
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/002897..._1457426199986
    Also volume 1&2 but almost has 1000 pages.

    I dont get why the first one has less pages. Does anyone have one of these and can help me here as i would prefere to buy the first version as the 2nd one is awfully expensive here in austria but i don't want a book whith less in it
    Nothing, other than that the original editions (1993) were published with dust covers, the re-release, (2007) without dust covers, a picture of a colour plate stuck to the front cover but with a matching red slipcase and many pages have more than one colour plate. Volumes 1&2 are 426 pages each which equates to 852 pages.

    Volumes 3&4 'Vassals and Allies' editions (2000) are slimmer volumes and have only one plate per page throughout which will account for the 320 pages per volume layout which equates to 640 pages. Oh! these editions are published with dust-covers.

    I have all four volumes and though the dialogue to some of the plates are a tad off-putting, I can highly recommend them.

    Paul
    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 08 Mar 16, 04:02.

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  • alex33
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    As this is kinda related to the topic: i need your help folks.
    Can someone please tell me whats the difference between:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/185367...=9781853677373
    Says volume 1&2 only has 400 pages
    And
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/002897..._1457426199986
    Also volume 1&2 but almost has 1000 pages.

    I dont get why the first one has less pages. Does anyone have one of these and can help me here as i would prefere to buy the first version as the 2nd one is awfully expensive here in austria but i don't want a book whith less in it

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    For Info:










    Paul

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  • ONIRIA
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    Cheers guys.
    Thank you all for your help

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Originally posted by ONIRIA View Post
    Thank you for your inputs Ivo.
    BTW any of you have an idea of what uniform Murat wore in Austerlitz?

    Saludetes


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  • Massena
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    Murat probably wore a white hussar uniform with red pelisse, a black colpack with white plume and red bag. Red boots completed the ensamble.

    For 1807 he wore what was essentially a white marshal's uniform though with breeches and black hussar boots, and what was essentially the regulation bicorne.

    Both uniforms were heavily encrusted with gold lace.

    interestingly, when Napoleon saw him in one of his more fantastic get-ups, he told him to go put on his uniform.

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  • ivopreda
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    Originally posted by ONIRIA View Post
    Thank you for your inputs Ivo.
    BTW any of you have an idea of what uniform Murat wore in Austerlitz?

    Saludetes
    it a difficult question. I don't know any document that represent him at Austerlitz.

    reasonably he was wearing some warm cloths considering the meteo, something like the Polonaise represented for Eylau

    sorry, I cannot help you more

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  • ONIRIA
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    Originally posted by ivopreda View Post
    this picture is full of artistic license...

    the decorated man seems a cuirassier before the port of the cuirass ( 1803 regiments received the cuirass)
    the regiment is on the background, holster cannot be with yellow lace but white
    Murat has an uniform quite fantasy. never existed. It's a combination of the marshal full dress coat ( in the snow?) and some AL like the vertical pockets
    the officer with long hairs can be Bessieres, the only that maintained the revolutionary cutting style for the hairs
    the Mameluck can be Raza Roustan that never had an uniform but always wore oriental style habits. strange are the moustache
    Napoleon doesn't wear the legion d'onor as usual for him
    the Napoleon saddle is completely wrong, never see something similar

    it's a AL adaptation of a battleflag capture...
    Thank you for your inputs Ivo.
    BTW any of you have an idea of what uniform Murat wore in Austerlitz?

    Saludetes

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  • ivopreda
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    Originally posted by ONIRIA View Post
    ..as you will see below the painting is his "Croix d'Honneur"
    AS far as Iíve been able to sort out, the scente can take place after the battle of Austerlitz:. I came to this conclusion because of weather conditions in the terrain, the captured Austrian flag, the dome of church in the background looks like itís the Augezd church.
    If we agree that the Battle is Austerlitz there are several things that donít match (could be simply artistic license), and would like to your opinion:

    The unit of the soldier being decorated is unknown to me. It looks like an Empress dragoon uniform, but in 1805 this unit did not exist. I guess itís a AL from the painter but, what unit could it be?
    The General in blue looks like it could be Mural, but I havenít been able to find any picture or painting with Mural wearing a similar uniform. Another AL? If we agree that heís Murat, is there any reacord of how he was dressed during the battle of Austerlitz?

    The General with the cape and long white hair is also a mistery to me. Do you think he could be a real character, or simply made up?

    The mameluke hodling Napoleonís horse doesnít look like his personal bodyguard Roustan Raza, and the uniform seems a bit ďuniqueĒ. Whatís your opinion on this fellow?

    Well thatís about all..
    I would really thank you for all the input and opinions you could give me

    Best regards
    Angel
    this picture is full of artistic license...

    the decorated man seems a cuirassier before the port of the cuirass ( 1803 regiments received the cuirass)
    the regiment is on the background, holster cannot be with yellow lace but white
    Murat has an uniform quite fantasy. never existed. It's a combination of the marshal full dress coat ( in the snow?) and some AL like the vertical pockets
    the officer with long hairs can be Bessieres, the only that maintained the revolutionary cutting style for the hairs
    the Mameluck can be Raza Roustan that never had an uniform but always wore oriental style habits. strange are the moustache
    Napoleon doesn't wear the legion d'onor as usual for him
    the Napoleon saddle is completely wrong, never see something similar

    it's a AL adaptation of a battleflag capture...

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Two Austerlitz Bicorns

    An N.C.O's





    And an officers





    Paul

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  • ONIRIA
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    Cheers Arthur.
    Thanks u for your help.
    Angel

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Originally posted by ONIRIA View Post
    Thanks you for your help Guys.
    Do you agree that the guy in front of Naopleon could be Murat?
    Any idea of what uniform he could be wearing?
    It is indeed meant to be Murat. I'll have a search through my references of him to see if he had such a uniform. Somehow, I don't think I'll find its like.

    Paul

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  • ONIRIA
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    Thanks you for your help Guys.
    Do you agree that the guy in front of Naopleon could be Murat?
    Any idea of what uniform he could be wearing?

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