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  • alex33
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    Cool thank you! Still hard to find anything "cheaper" on the british army that covers that much stuff.

    Now i have some questions regarding the Russian Guard/Line Cavalry:
    It's hard to come by this information but there are 3 distinct cavalry regiments that have different symbols on their helmet and or shabrack: the Chevalier Guard, the Lifeguard Horse Regiment, and the Military Order Cuirassier Regiment. In 1813 the His Majesty Life Cuirassiers (Line) were promoted to young guard status as the Lifeguard Cuirassiers I think somewhere at that time or later the Her Majesty variant of the cuirassiers was also promoted.

    The book of Alexander Viskovatov describes the helmet of the Line Cuirassiers as having a double headed eagle on it. Did the His/Her Majestys Cuirassiers get a new helmet with the guard star after the promotion to the guard? They seemed to already have the star on the shabrack but on newer stuff they had the Imperial Monogram on it. Also, does anyone have any plates or pictures of the Chevalier/Horseguard Helmets? They seem to have a Guardstar on the Helmet. Does anyone know the Uniform and color difference between the Russian Old Guard and Young Guard Heavy Cav? Their Facings and Shabracks seem to have the same color?

    Also, something I don't quite get are the Life garde Cossacks they are part of the Imperial Guard but some websites mention Lifeguard Ural,Black Sea etc Cossacks as line Cav. What are those? Are they also "Red" Guard Cossacks or are they like the normal cossacks?

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    The depiction in the picture above is of a Grenadier company Sergeant of the 2nd (Queens Royal) Regiment in full dress 1812-15

    Plate X that is in your post can be found in 'The Thin Red Line' Uniforms of the British Army between 1751 & 1914. By D.S.V & B.K. Fosten

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...+1751+%26+1914

    The cheapest C.E. Franklin book I have found is selling for 135.00 on Abe Books.

    there's one 2nd edition selling on the U.S Abe site for a whopping 2,290.44 or US$ 2899.99

    Paul
    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 06 Sep 17, 20:57.

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  • Massena
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    The uniform plate pictured is from the book The Thin Red Line by the Fostens published in 1989.

    The two central figures on the plate are infantrymen: a sergeant of the grenadier company of the 2d Foot in full dress on the left, and a sergeant of the light infantry company of the 3d Foot in service dress on the right.

    The plate is on page 45 of the book and is numbered as Plate X. The commentary explaining the plate is on pages 44 and 47.

    The title of Plate X is: 1812-1815 Infantry of the Line: Flank Companies: Non-Commissioned Officers and Privates.

    The figure in question is wearing a grenadier fur cap and is carrying a spontoon, which is his badge of rank along with the waist sash and the full dress sword.

    The book itself is excellent but, curiously, does not have any uniforms depicting units in the War of the American Revolution. I thought that odd, as it does have uniforms of the French and Indian War/Seven Years' War period.

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  • lcm1
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    Originally posted by alex33 View Post
    Has anyone any good book recommendations about british uniforms? I've only seen C.E. franklins book and well this book isn't in print anymore and costs around 600 =(

    Also does anyone know what the left guy is? He kinda looks like an officer but why does he wear a scots greys bearskin cap?
    Well he has got three stripes up, just got to be a sergeant. A good Sergeant was held in high regard particularly a Colours Sergeant. Even in modern days, I have seen them correct a Junior officer! I would say he was in the 'Lancers' and The Busby was worn by a variety of Regiments. I have been told by a guy that was in the Grenadiers that it is a form of busby because of the fur. lcm1
    Last edited by lcm1; 06 Sep 17, 19:42.

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  • alex33
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    Has anyone any good book recommendations about british uniforms? I've only seen C.E. franklins book and well this book isn't in print anymore and costs around 600 =(

    Also does anyone know what the left guy is? He kinda looks like an officer but why does he wear a scots greys bearskin cap?

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  • repd
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    thanks

    Originally posted by gboue View Post
    Dear Repd

    A "gumbardier" is a musical player of a guimbarde but this sailor
    could be a "GABARIER" sailor in charge of steering a small river boat which job is to bring all the goods and impediments to a main ship.

    French language is such a mess


    Gboue from Paris wishing all of the forumers a happy new year
    i think alot of people will have the same problem with the dutch language

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  • gboue
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    bad spelling

    Dear Repd

    A "gumbardier" is a musical player of a guimbarde but this sailor
    could be a "GABARIER" sailor in charge of steering a small river boat which job is to bring all the goods and impediments to a main ship.

    French language is such a mess


    Gboue from Paris wishing all of the forumers a happy new year

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  • repd
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    question

    is there someone who has more information about the two soldiers on the left side of this plate
    the most left is probably a guimbardier ( wagon driver )
    I am awaiting your answers
    thanks in advance
    Attached Files

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...postcount=3231

    scroll down to the second group.

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...postcount=3230

    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...postcount=3284

    Paul
    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 04 Jan 17, 21:49.

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  • alex33
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    Cool info thank you good sir!

    One thing i find very interessting are the carabiniers a cheval. I kinda have a thing for flashy looking gear.
    What i would like to know: almost everywhere you can read that around 1809 they turned their bearskins etc in for armour and helmet coated in brass. Then again it is also said that the officers get the same equipment only with a copper coating with a star on a sunburst on the chest of the cuirass. I've seen the copper cuirass at the invalides museum on paris last year. I've also seen plates (i think the dresden ones) and portraits where officers wore normal "line" carabiniers armour in brass. I know thos could also be because of diferent sircumstances pf the supply lines etc. but my real question here is: did the regulations or the decree of 1809 specify that officer get the copper coated cuirass with the star and ofc the helmet? I ask this because i read about the carabiniers in swords around the throne that they got their brass equipment but no mention of the copper ones. Also jouineau mentions in his book that they got their stuff in brass but also does not mention the copper officer variants but also paint the officers with the brass ones

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  • Dibble201Bty
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    Apart from the bearskin the uniform was basically the same as the other heavy dragoon regiments. But what was unusual was that the trumpeters had white chevron's going up each sleeve, a bit like inverted sergeant's stripes but starting from the cuff and finishing at the shoulder.

    Wiki's page is pretty good. This is the extract from it.

    "Although the same basic uniform was worn by the heavy cavalry of the British Army at any given period, for centuries each regiment had its own distinctions and variations. The Scots Greys were no different. The most noticeable difference in the uniform of the Scots Greys was that the regimental full dress worn as general issue until 1914 included a bearskin cap. They were the only British heavy cavalry regiment to wear this fur headdress. Prior to receiving the bearskin, they were also unique among British cavalry regiments in wearing the mitre cap (sometimes referred to as a grenadier cap) instead of the cocked hat or tricorn worn by the rest of the British cavalry during the eighteenth century. The mitre cap dates back to the reign of Queen Anne, who awarded them this distinction after the Battle of Ramillies in 1706. An early form of the bearskin was adopted in 1768.[144]

    Other regimental dress distinctions of the Scots Greys included a yellow zigzag "vandyk" band on the No. 1 dress peaked caps of the regiment, metal insignia representing the White Horse of Hanover worn at the back of the bearskin, and the silver eagle badge worn to commemorate the capture of the French standard at Waterloo"

    And here is a discussion that I was part of on another site where I posted a contemporary painting of a scene the night before Waterloo

    http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=408258

    http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=412411

    and here is that painting in a higher resolution.

    Note that the trumpeter is laying near a fire on the bottom left of the picture with his head resting on his hand. Note too the fatigue caps.




    Paul
    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 01 Jan 17, 17:16.

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  • alex33
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    Cool thx i will look it up!

    Does anyone know why the Royal Scots greys uniform is drastically different and unique among the British dragoons?

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  • oldseeker
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    Just remembered in Galica there are two volumes on the French troops for the "Siege of Paris 1870" which are all in colour, I don't have the links as it is outside my period

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  • oldseeker
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    Try looking at the library Galicia.bnf, they have some books on the German empire, you will have to search but a good start would to insert Germany war of 1870, or uniforms 1870.
    also I believe that Alfons Casonova has some pieces on his website.

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  • sabrivo1965
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    Hi,
    What's the number of the Domange's plate ?
    This is a part of the plate.
    Can you send the complete plate?
    Thanks and best 2017

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