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  • Hey,

    back with another question, this time its about the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards. Specifically its about the Helmet Crest of the Blues. In British Napoleonic Uniforms: A Complete Illustrated Guide to Uniforms, Facings and Lace by C. E. Franklin and multiple other paintings I've seen that their helmet crest was Blue and Red (for example that one waterloo page https://i.imgur.com/okhmVfh.png .) While in other paintings it appears to be black and red like. Does anybody know what coloring the helmet crest of the blues was?

    Cheers!

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    • Black over Red crest.

      https://collection.nam.ac.uk/detail....c=2001-06-17-1

      Though Franklin's tome has inaccuracies, it is nevertheless an excellent attempt at covering what is probably an 'almost impossible subject to get accurate. It also didn't help with the selection of the printers in India.
      ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
      All human ills he can subdue,
      Or with a bauble or medal
      Can win mans heart for you;
      And many a blessing know to stew
      To make a megloamaniac bright;
      Give honour to the dainty Corse,
      The Pixie is a little shite.

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      • Thank you! Wonder where the wrong Blue coloration comes from cause i've seen it quite often. Probably someone took the nickname "The Blues" too seriously hahaha

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        • So I have a question regarding Russian Cuirassiers of the Military Order Regiment. The Officers wore a Helmet with the Order on it instead of the normal double headed eagle. Did the normal troopers also wear this helmet or did they have the normal Cuirassier helmet? The normal rank and file had normal Shabraques with the imperial Monogram while the officers had the Order on them so maybe the same thing is for the helmets?

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          • have you looked in these books? There is a list of them which can be viewed. They are excellent though some are in black and white.
            https://runivers.ru/lib/book3093/
            ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
            All human ills he can subdue,
            Or with a bauble or medal
            Can win mans heart for you;
            And many a blessing know to stew
            To make a megloamaniac bright;
            Give honour to the dainty Corse,
            The Pixie is a little shite.

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            • I actually do have some of them. The regulations sadly do not mention the Order emblem on the helmet 2 painting show the helmet with the order emblem and one of them with the double eagle. Really frustrating.

              do you by chance have the Rousselot Plates for the Mamloukes of the Guard with text? Couldn‘t find it in the Best uniform thread

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              • Originally posted by alex33 View Post
                I actually do have some of them. The regulations sadly do not mention the Order emblem on the helmet 2 painting show the helmet with the order emblem and one of them with the double eagle. Really frustrating.

                do you by chance have the Rousselot Plates for the Mamloukes of the Guard with text? Couldn‘t find it in the Best uniform thread
                Rousselot didn't do a Mamalukes of the Guard plate. But what he did do was a set of six Soldats d'Autrefois







                ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                All human ills he can subdue,
                Or with a bauble or medal
                Can win mans heart for you;
                And many a blessing know to stew
                To make a megloamaniac bright;
                Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                The Pixie is a little shite.

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                • Thank you!

                  Another thing I'm wondering about. The Prussian Leib Husaren Regiment had according to Knötel a special Oilskin cover with their Skulls and Crossbones insignia on it, I thought it was only for the shako itself but seemingly it was also on their oilskin.
                  f2e9f10b375306fa159329bef7083f44.jpg
                  does anybody know anything about this? I've never seen any insignia on Oilskin covers.
                  Attached Files

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                  • Does anyone know how long the bearskin caps were used in the field for the Scots greys and Foot guard units? They ofc wore different uniforms in overseas deployment but there must be an enddate for when they stopped being part of the field uniform in „european“ service

                    would also be nice to know when the albert helmet was replaced in the cavalry
                    Last edited by alex33; 04 Mar 20, 08:07.

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                    • Fur caps were ceremonial in the Guards, Grenadier Companies, Fusiliers and some bandsmen at this time, not worn in the field. The Scots Greys wore their Fur caps at Waterloo covered with a black oilskin. The Albert helmet was introduced in 1842-7 until 1871 when it was replaced by the similar pattern which is more or less what you see today being worn by the Household Cavalry.
                      Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 05 Mar 20, 10:59.
                      ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                      All human ills he can subdue,
                      Or with a bauble or medal
                      Can win mans heart for you;
                      And many a blessing know to stew
                      To make a megloamaniac bright;
                      Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                      The Pixie is a little shite.

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                      • Well they also did wear their bearskins in the crimean war. They must've been changed to ceremonial dress sometime after that

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                        • Originally posted by alex33 View Post
                          Well they also did wear their bearskins in the crimean war. They must've been changed to ceremonial dress sometime after that
                          Who do you mean?
                          ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                          All human ills he can subdue,
                          Or with a bauble or medal
                          Can win mans heart for you;
                          And many a blessing know to stew
                          To make a megloamaniac bright;
                          Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                          The Pixie is a little shite.

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                          • Originally posted by alex33 View Post
                            Thank you!

                            Another thing I'm wondering about. The Prussian Leib Husaren Regiment had according to Knötel a special Oilskin cover with their Skulls and Crossbones insignia on it, I thought it was only for the shako itself but seemingly it was also on their oilskin.
                            f2e9f10b375306fa159329bef7083f44.jpg
                            does anybody know anything about this? I've never seen any insignia on Oilskin covers.
                            Isn't this Knotel watercolor copyrighted? It is from Napoleonic Uniforms, is it not?
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post

                              Who do you mean?
                              The scots greys and the foot guard units.

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                              • They both wore fur hats. If you do a bit of googling, you can find good early photographic evidence of their use in the Crimea. If you would like post-Waterloo, pre-Crimean schematic plates, I can post them

                                ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                                All human ills he can subdue,
                                Or with a bauble or medal
                                Can win mans heart for you;
                                And many a blessing know to stew
                                To make a megloamaniac bright;
                                Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                                The Pixie is a little shite.

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