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    Dear Repd

    A "gumbardier" is a musical player of a guimbarde but this sailor
    could be a "GABARIER" sailor in charge of steering a small river boat which job is to bring all the goods and impediments to a main ship.

    French language is such a mess


    Gboue from Paris wishing all of the forumers a happy new year

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    • thanks

      Originally posted by gboue View Post
      Dear Repd

      A "gumbardier" is a musical player of a guimbarde but this sailor
      could be a "GABARIER" sailor in charge of steering a small river boat which job is to bring all the goods and impediments to a main ship.

      French language is such a mess


      Gboue from Paris wishing all of the forumers a happy new year
      i think alot of people will have the same problem with the dutch language

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      • Has anyone any good book recommendations about british uniforms? I've only seen C.E. franklins book and well this book isn't in print anymore and costs around 600 =(

        Also does anyone know what the left guy is? He kinda looks like an officer but why does he wear a scots greys bearskin cap?

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        • Originally posted by alex33 View Post
          Has anyone any good book recommendations about british uniforms? I've only seen C.E. franklins book and well this book isn't in print anymore and costs around 600 =(

          Also does anyone know what the left guy is? He kinda looks like an officer but why does he wear a scots greys bearskin cap?
          Well he has got three stripes up, just got to be a sergeant. A good Sergeant was held in high regard particularly a Colours Sergeant. Even in modern days, I have seen them correct a Junior officer! I would say he was in the 'Lancers' and The Busby was worn by a variety of Regiments. I have been told by a guy that was in the Grenadiers that it is a form of busby because of the fur. lcm1
          Last edited by lcm1; 06 Sep 17, 20:42.
          'By Horse by Tram'.


          I was in when they needed 'em,not feeded 'em.
          " Youuu 'Orrible Lot!"

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          • The uniform plate pictured is from the book The Thin Red Line by the Fostens published in 1989.

            The two central figures on the plate are infantrymen: a sergeant of the grenadier company of the 2d Foot in full dress on the left, and a sergeant of the light infantry company of the 3d Foot in service dress on the right.

            The plate is on page 45 of the book and is numbered as Plate X. The commentary explaining the plate is on pages 44 and 47.

            The title of Plate X is: 1812-1815 Infantry of the Line: Flank Companies: Non-Commissioned Officers and Privates.

            The figure in question is wearing a grenadier fur cap and is carrying a spontoon, which is his badge of rank along with the waist sash and the full dress sword.

            The book itself is excellent but, curiously, does not have any uniforms depicting units in the War of the American Revolution. I thought that odd, as it does have uniforms of the French and Indian War/Seven Years' War period.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • The depiction in the picture above is of a Grenadier company Sergeant of the 2nd (Queens Royal) Regiment in full dress 1812-15

              Plate X that is in your post can be found in 'The Thin Red Line' Uniforms of the British Army between 1751 & 1914. By D.S.V & B.K. Fosten

              https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...+1751+%26+1914

              The cheapest C.E. Franklin book I have found is selling for 135.00 on Abe Books.

              there's one 2nd edition selling on the U.S Abe site for a whopping 2,290.44 or US$ 2899.99

              Paul
              Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 06 Sep 17, 21:57.
              ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
              All human ills he can subdue,
              Or with a bauble or medal
              Can win mans heart for you;
              And many a blessing know to stew
              To make a megloamaniac bright;
              Give honour to the dainty Corse,
              The Pixie is a little shite.

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              • Cool thank you! Still hard to find anything "cheaper" on the british army that covers that much stuff.

                Now i have some questions regarding the Russian Guard/Line Cavalry:
                It's hard to come by this information but there are 3 distinct cavalry regiments that have different symbols on their helmet and or shabrack: the Chevalier Guard, the Lifeguard Horse Regiment, and the Military Order Cuirassier Regiment. In 1813 the His Majesty Life Cuirassiers (Line) were promoted to young guard status as the Lifeguard Cuirassiers I think somewhere at that time or later the Her Majesty variant of the cuirassiers was also promoted.

                The book of Alexander Viskovatov describes the helmet of the Line Cuirassiers as having a double headed eagle on it. Did the His/Her Majestys Cuirassiers get a new helmet with the guard star after the promotion to the guard? They seemed to already have the star on the shabrack but on newer stuff they had the Imperial Monogram on it. Also, does anyone have any plates or pictures of the Chevalier/Horseguard Helmets? They seem to have a Guardstar on the Helmet. Does anyone know the Uniform and color difference between the Russian Old Guard and Young Guard Heavy Cav? Their Facings and Shabracks seem to have the same color?

                Also, something I don't quite get are the Life garde Cossacks they are part of the Imperial Guard but some websites mention Lifeguard Ural,Black Sea etc Cossacks as line Cav. What are those? Are they also "Red" Guard Cossacks or are they like the normal cossacks?

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                • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  The uniform plate pictured is from the book The Thin Red Line by the Fostens published in 1989.

                  The two central figures on the plate are infantrymen: a sergeant of the grenadier company of the 2d Foot in full dress on the left, and a sergeant of the light infantry company of the 3d Foot in service dress on the right.
                  Just to highlight that the figure on the right belongs to the 53rd (Shropshire ) Regiment of Foot. I'm sure it was an unintentional omission of the '5' but the error still needs to be highlighted

                  Paul
                  ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                  All human ills he can subdue,
                  Or with a bauble or medal
                  Can win mans heart for you;
                  And many a blessing know to stew
                  To make a megloamaniac bright;
                  Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                  The Pixie is a little shite.

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                  • Originally posted by alex33 View Post
                    Cool thank you! Still hard to find anything "cheaper" on the british army that covers that much stuff.

                    Now i have some questions regarding the Russian Guard/Line Cavalry:
                    It's hard to come by this information but there are 3 distinct cavalry regiments that have different symbols on their helmet and or shabrack: the Chevalier Guard, the Lifeguard Horse Regiment, and the Military Order Cuirassier Regiment. In 1813 the His Majesty Life Cuirassiers (Line) were promoted to young guard status as the Lifeguard Cuirassiers I think somewhere at that time or later the Her Majesty variant of the cuirassiers was also promoted.

                    The book of Alexander Viskovatov describes the helmet of the Line Cuirassiers as having a double headed eagle on it. Did the His/Her Majestys Cuirassiers get a new helmet with the guard star after the promotion to the guard? They seemed to already have the star on the shabrack but on newer stuff they had the Imperial Monogram on it. Also, does anyone have any plates or pictures of the Chevalier/Horseguard Helmets? They seem to have a Guardstar on the Helmet. Does anyone know the Uniform and color difference between the Russian Old Guard and Young Guard Heavy Cav? Their Facings and Shabracks seem to have the same color?

                    Also, something I don't quite get are the Life garde Cossacks they are part of the Imperial Guard but some websites mention Lifeguard Ural,Black Sea etc Cossacks as line Cav. What are those? Are they also "Red" Guard Cossacks or are they like the normal cossacks?
                    I am not as good with the Russian army as I am the British, French etc. But I'm sure that someone may be along and answer your questions.

                    These may help

                    https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2015/0...-army-of-1812/

                    Have a look through these sites.

                    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Hi...ZjVY5-8g0iBDM:

                    Paul
                    Last edited by Dibble201Bty; 08 Sep 17, 09:54.
                    ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                    All human ills he can subdue,
                    Or with a bauble or medal
                    Can win mans heart for you;
                    And many a blessing know to stew
                    To make a megloamaniac bright;
                    Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                    The Pixie is a little shite.

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                    • Originally posted by Dibble201Bty View Post
                      Just to highlight that the figure on the right belongs to the 53rd (Shropshire ) Regiment of Foot. I'm sure it was an unintentional omission of the '5' but the error still needs to be highlighted
                      Thanks and good catch. And, yes, of course, the error was unintentional. Why would it be otherwise?
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • I am Working on some 28mm British infantry from the Waterloo campaign. I am painting them as the coldstream guards however I've ran into a problem. how are the flank companies distinguished from one another, the models have shako covers so the plume isn't present and as far as i know the light company and grenadier companies wore dark blur facings the same as the centre companies.
                        If anyone knows please reply

                        Thanks in advance.

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                        • Originally posted by Soviet_Prussian View Post
                          I am Working on some 28mm British infantry from the Waterloo campaign. I am painting them as the coldstream guards however I've ran into a problem. how are the flank companies distinguished from one another, the models have shako covers so the plume isn't present and as far as i know the light company and grenadier companies wore dark blur facings the same as the centre companies.
                          If anyone knows please reply

                          Thanks in advance.
                          If they all have shako covers you should perhaps have an officer or senior N.C.O without a waterproof covered shako on both flanks to symbolise the Grenadier and Light companies. Centre companies had blue edged white lace shoulder-straps with a white tuft at the end. From 1809, The Flank companies had blue edged white shoulder-straps with elite blue laced white crescents with a white fringe on the outer curve.

                          click on the link below, then scroll down to a 1/6th scale model of a Coldstream Guardsman. It is a very good depiction.

                          http://www.accionunoseis.org/search....or=Tony+Barton

                          Paul
                          ‘Tis said his form is tiny, yet
                          All human ills he can subdue,
                          Or with a bauble or medal
                          Can win mans heart for you;
                          And many a blessing know to stew
                          To make a megloamaniac bright;
                          Give honour to the dainty Corse,
                          The Pixie is a little shite.

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