All things UNIFORMS (including modelling questions related to uniforms)

[Dibble201Bty]

These are the type you need

http://www.perry-miniatures.com/prod...oducts_id=1970





1812 Bardin Habit Veste



1806-1810 Habit Veste

Paul

[General Brock]

Here is the two companies Fr. line infantry side by side...

[Dibble201Bty]

Paul

[rogg]

Thanks a lot for your help!

So, if I get it, the main difference is the coat, right?

[General Brock]

The pompoms on the shakoes were different as well...

[Phebe]

I have a question about the tack of Hungarian Hussars. Were the red saddle cloths put outside or under the saddles?

We were watching The Gypsy Baron tonight, an operetta by Johann Strauss II from 1885, a staging from the 1980s starring Siegfried Jerusalem and shot on location with quite a bit of equine participation (to say nothing of the oxen).

Three characters give up on the complexities of life and go off to join the Hussars, who are recruiting for presumably the War of the Spanish Succession. When they return victorious to Vienna, the troop of Hussars is clearly riding with the red fitted saddle cloths outside the saddles: they are sitting on them. The cloths are large and have longer tails in the back.

I have spent my life with horses and this seemed wrong to me; at least here we don't normally ride with the saddle cloths on top --- I would think it would be slippery, and also, the function of a saddle cloth is to prevent saddle galling of the horse, generally.

I googled the images and the opera seemed quite careful about the costumes, including the frogging down the fronts of the uniform legs, so I would think this horse cloth placement may be accurate. But images from all ages show both: sometimes the saddle is clearly on top of the blanket, sometimes it is not clear, and the bottom picture below, from 1760, plainly shows what my operetta also showed. Does anyone know what is going on with the wandering saddle cloths? When and why did they put the cloths on top of the saddles? This seems odd to me.

[Dibble201Bty]

I have a question about the tack of Hungarian Hussars. Were the red saddle cloths put outside or under the saddles?

We were watching The Gypsy Baron tonight, an operetta by Johann Strauss II from 1885, a staging from the 1980s starring Siegfried Jerusalem and shot on location with quite a bit of equine participation (to say nothing of the oxen).

Three characters give up on the complexities of life and go off to join the Hussars, who are recruiting for presumably the War of the Spanish Succession. When they return victorious to Vienna, the troop of Hussars is clearly riding with the red fitted saddle cloths outside the saddles: they are sitting on them. The cloths are large and have longer tails in the back.

I have spent my life with horses and this seemed wrong to me; at least here we don't normally ride with the saddle cloths on top --- I would think it would be slippery, and also, the function of a saddle cloth is to prevent saddle galling of the horse, generally.

I googled the images and the opera seemed quite careful about the costumes, including the frogging down the fronts of the uniform legs, so I would think this horse cloth placement may be accurate. But images from all ages show both: sometimes the saddle is clearly on top of the blanket, sometimes it is not clear, and the bottom picture below, from 1760, plainly shows what my operetta also showed. Does anyone know what is going on with the wandering saddle cloths? When and why did they put the cloths on top of the saddles? This seems odd to me.

Go to the site below and click on all the links

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=252214

Paul

[rogg]

The pompoms on the shakoes were different as well...

ok. one more question concerning the Grenadiers. In 1808-09 he is depicted with a bearskin cap, in 1812 with a shako. Did that change too?

[Dibble201Bty]

ok. one more question concerning the Grenadiers. In 1808-09 he is depicted with a bearskin cap, in 1812 with a shako. Did that change too?

Ill give you all the Info you need in just as soon as I have scanned my Rousselot Plates and Info.

Paul

[Dibble201Bty]

Grenadiers and Voltigeurs 1804 - 1813








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Infantry of the Line 1813 - 1814








Paul

[rogg]

Thanks!! Sry, I can't rep you at the moment!

Is it this book?

http://www.amazon.de/Napoleons-Armee...usselot+Plates

(in German )

[Von Richter]

One other thing I've found out, purely on the figure side of 28mm... Victrix bayonets are a lot easier snapped off occidentally than Perry ones. I'm guessing this is because Victrix are truer to scale, but that's not much good when they're strewn all over the wargames table!

[rogg]

One other thing I've found out, purely on the figure side of 28mm... Victrix bayonets are a lot easier snapped off occidentally than Perry ones. I'm guessing this is because Victrix are truer to scale, but that's not much good when they're strewn all over the wargames table!

This is probably the result of another war profiteer in Paris, selling rubbish to the army and earning thereby a fortune

[Massena]

Thanks!! Sry, I can't rep you at the moment!

Is it this book?

http://www.amazon.de/Napoleons-Armee...usselot+Plates

(in German )

I have the book and a good, but not complete collection of the plates. I much prefer the plates as while they are larger than the usual book, and certainly larger than in the book itself, they are easy to use and having the complete write-up from Rousselot is much better than what you get with the book.

I would recommend the book for a good starting point, but if you can get the plates for your collection. Most of the ones I have I found for $15.00 a piece, but they are definitely worth the expense. On Military Matters has a selection of them, but not all, but that would be a good starting point.

Sincerely,
M

[rogg]

I have the book and a good, but not complete collection of the plates. I much prefer the plates as while they are larger than the usual book, and certainly larger than in the book itself, they are easy to use and having the complete write-up from Rousselot is much better than what you get with the book.

I would recommend the book for a good starting point, but if you can get the plates for your collection. Most of the ones I have I found for $15.00 a piece, but they are definitely worth the expense. On Military Matters has a selection of them, but not all, but that would be a good starting point.

Sincerely,
M

Thanks, why did they abolish the bearskin for the Grenadiers?