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Dropping a body down a flight of stairs gets you PTSD? I've seen a lot worse than that.
Makes you wonder how anyone survived the hell of the trenches of WW1 or the tough fighting in WW2, Korea, and/or Vietnam.
The show does not offer any insight on the glut of noncombatant military personnel clogging the system looking for benefits, nor the desperate national shortage of mental health professional that pre-date 9/11.
It's simply a long, drawn out whine.
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Out of idle curiosity how many here have know or worked with more than one or two people suffering from PSTD?
Second: Anyone have the symptoms, either latent or presented? You can msg me privately about this.
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostOne thing that's always puzzled me in military books is the fact that combat survivors often get a "guilt complex" that gives them bad dreams for years afterwards because they can't seem to handle the fact that they survived but their mates didn't.
Why they don't just think "I was simply lucky but they weren't", and move on with their lives?)
I TOTALLY understand that feeling
if I'm not mistaken survivors of disasters famine etc have the same feelings too
the thought that they might have done something to save their buddies
its part of an altruistic feeling that is ingrained in our psyche
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostPTSD is a major symptom of failure to properly prepare and train troops, whose primary objective is to kill the enemy.
I mean grandma dies in hospital or nursing homes
Dad does not hunt or trap but works in an office
Mommy does not kill and skin chicken for dinner
has there been any studies that show if PTSD is more common in urban folks who had a sheltered childhood vs those that didnt
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Originally posted by BELGRAVE View PostIt's rather like the words put into Lt Bromhead's mouth in the film Zulu,(reminded by your avatar).
" I feel ashamed".
It's a very safe bet that he would never have said or thought it in reality. He had no reason to feel thus . Surely the script in the film reflected more modern attitudes to PTSD.
"At 100 yards, bust their friggin asses, FIRE!"
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostRe 'guilt complex'- thanks guys, yes I suppose none of us know how we'll handle traumas, I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"
" I feel ashamed".
It's a very safe bet that he would never have said or thought it in reality. He had no reason to feel thus . Surely the script in the film reflected more modern attitudes to PTSD.
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Originally posted by Sergio View Post..What a surprise. Presumably made up by you then..
Jesus said- "Everyone on the side of truth listens to me” (John 18:37)
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostOriginally Posted by Poor Old Spike -I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"
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I can't remember where I saw it, but it's the sort of thing that sticks in your mind..
It's called "black humour" and we Brits are very good at it, for example when I got a 3-month jail sentence my solicitors looked shocked, so to cheer them up I said-" It's okay, I'd got nothing planned for the next 3 months anyway".
And on the way to the jail the prison van broke down, so another prisoner called out to the driver "Let us out and we'll give you a push if you like", but he declined the offer..
http://www.war-memorial.net/Roll-of-...2-Deaths-4.248Last edited by Sergio; 17 Nov 17, 12:07.
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Originally Posted by Poor Old Spike -I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"
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Originally posted by Sergio View Post[/B]Sounds like a tragic incident. Do you have a reference for that story? Where, when or which book? Thanks in advance.
It's called "black humour" and we Brits are very good at it, for example when I got a 3-month jail sentence my solicitors looked shocked, so to cheer them up I said-" It's okay, I'd got nothing planned for the next 3 months anyway".
And on the way to the jail the prison van broke down, so another prisoner called out to the driver "Let us out and we'll give you a push if you like", but he declined the offer..
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostRe 'guilt complex'- thanks guys, yes I suppose none of us know how we'll handle traumas, I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"
Sounds like a tragic incident. Do you have a reference for that story? Where, when or which book? Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by MarkV View Post..I can remember being told that when a company collapses and most of the staff are made redundant the one's that get kept on often experience feelings of guilt and their performance suffers..
For example I don't want to toot my own horn but in 2002 I was just out of Leicester Prison (England) after serving a 3-month vigilante rap, jobless, womanless, near-penniless, homeless and living rough in a tent in a remote wood near Cheltenham, shivering with thyroid problems, but not for an instant was I downhearted because I was too busy laughing at myself-
"Oh great" I thought, "I've ended up as Bigfoot"..
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostRe 'guilt complex'- thanks guys, yes I suppose none of us know how we'll handle traumas, I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"Last edited by MarkV; 16 Nov 17, 12:24.
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Re 'guilt complex'- thanks guys, yes I suppose none of us know how we'll handle traumas, I like to think I'd have the same tough mindset of the Brit soldier in the Falklands War who saw his mate get blown up and killed on a motorbike after delivering the mail to the front line troops.
He said- "It could have been worse, he might have got blown up before he'd delivered it"
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostOne thing that's always puzzled me in military books is the fact that combat survivors often get a "guilt complex" that gives them bad dreams for years afterwards because they can't seem to handle the fact that they survived but their mates didn't.
Why they don't just think "I was simply lucky but they weren't", and move on with their lives?
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Originally posted by Poor Old Spike View PostOne thing that's always puzzled me in military books is the fact that combat survivors often get a "guilt complex" that gives them bad dreams for years afterwards because they can't seem to handle the fact that they survived but their mates didn't.
Why they don't just think "I was simply lucky but they weren't", and move on with their lives?
It's possibly because we evolved as a social animal that lived in troops. I have read that Sociopaths and Psychopaths do not suffer from itLast edited by MarkV; 15 Nov 17, 15:09.
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